發文作者:kahoo | 四月 11, 2008

陳良宇貪18年囚18年– 司法鬧劇? 放生陳良宇?


陳良宇貪污判囚18年:
前上海市委書記陳良宇涉嫌受賄及濫用職權,被判囚18年,沒收個人財產人民幣30萬元。法庭話,鑑於陳良宇對所犯受賄罪有悔罪表現,能退繳全部贓款,可對其酌情從輕處罰,遂依法作出上述判決。


Responses

  1. 冰山一角

  2. 處罰越重越好
    應殺一儆百

  3. 18 years only?? should be capital punishment.

  4. 違反共產主義的精神,絕對值得判處死刑!

  5. All he got was just $300K, are you kidding me? Did the police check his account in Swiss bank?

  6. 一位被判囚 18年的貪官,其個人財產只有人民幣30萬元,眞是當 13 億人民是儍嘅?一般中產身家都唔止 30 萬元啦!

  7. 有冇可能連審訊時都有賄賂成份?

  8. 真作假時假亦真, 假作真時真亦假.

    這場政圈大龍鳳應該還沒有演完.

  9. 真係可惜,契弟走得摩,走快兩步逃入加拿大就好囉,起碼帶返一千幾百萬入黎,帶旺樓市、高級消費行業,幫補吓我地d窮國吖。

  10. “When in charge, ponder…
    When in trouble, delegate…
    When in doubt, mumble."

    – Dr. Jim Boren

  11. 從新聞片段(在這版上刋登的照片也一樣可以)看到, 陳良宇身光頸靚, 神態自若. 如果在身旁沒有兩名軍裝人員, 觀眾/讀者還可能以為他在向手下/群眾演說呢?

    可以想見他在扣留候審期間的待遇如何, 將來在[獄中]的待遇又將會是如何, 膳食可否自選, 有沒有山珍海味? 可否隨時請假外出? 看來所謂判刑, 可能只是陳君不可以走在台前活動而已!

  12. 新聞報導只貪三百幾萬, 絕大可能是漏報了個億字, 只有三十萬身家給中央政府沒收是絕對可以理解, 因為已給辦案的各級官員分清了, 剩番三十萬對國家已好有良心.

  13. write a few articles on the net – 3 year in jail
    corruption – 18 years

    That’s a bargain!

    Funny, those so-called patriotic people didn’t write anything here…

  14. 一隻代罪的老虎, 草草收場謝幕.

  15. 多倫多華人組織在413去渥太華抗議加拿大總理支持藏獨,報名人數直線上升,以致組委會在周三就暫停報名(6000人)。就在大家摩拳擦掌准備周日去加拿大首都抗議前夕,就是剛才,2個半小時以前,也就是北京時間上午8點,已經簽好60部大巴合同的租車公司突然取消合約,原因就是受到親藏獨政府勢力的壓力,有錢也不敢賺了!

    現在多倫多華人社區已經完全憤怒!大家一致要求自行駕車去!可能去抗議的人數而會更多。同時,這些移民(其中一些人曾經對西方民主報過幻想)真正認清了西方所謂民主的本質,

    大家知道什么叫西方民主了吧。任何民主都是有利益背景的

    西方人為什么壓中國人搞他們的民主,還纂養了一批所謂:民主斗士!目的就是搞垮中國。西方給中國畫的民主方案中國能搞嗎?那是毒藥!中國搞西方式民主,一定四分五裂,一定血流成河,死上1000万是最低估計。那個時候他們會用極端鄙視的目光看著我們,然后用鄙視的語言諷刺挖苦我們,當然還會假惺惺的跳出几個牧師掉几滴鱷魚淚

  16. That is the PR of China, you still have relationship with somebody, you can alive, $300000 …. really a joke …that.. is why we don’t belive communist…I agree China have a great improvement…but you can speak louldly in China what ever you like.. shit.

  17. http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/aiholocaust.html

  18. 華生入圍拼字賽 決賽遭拒
    容閎梁可人 曼哈坦區第七名 未獲決賽通知 家長:少數裔被欺

    【本報記者周雨婷紐約報導】華埠容閎小學(P.S. 124)五年級華女梁可人(Ariel Leung)參加全市拼字比賽(spelling bee),成功入圍曼哈坦區前八名,有資格進入總決賽,但最終未獲得主辦單位通知。梁可人母親多次與主辦方交涉,對方均不承認失誤。美華協會紐約分會10日表示,這種作法對華人社區是不公平的,他們已致信教育局,要求徹查此次事故。

    梁可人的母親莫女士說,這是女兒第一次參加拼字比賽,全家都非常重視,為女兒加油。在1月29日進行的第二區(即曼哈坦區)比賽中,女兒成功獲得第七名的好成績,按照規定,曼哈坦區的前八名將參加全市決賽。

    莫女士說,全家人一直等待主辦方的通知信。3月5日,女兒從其他選手那裡獲得消息,總決賽將提前至3月14日進行,所有選手都已經得到通知。梁可人將事情告訴母親後,其母立即透過容閎小學向主辦方查詢,而主辦方的回覆是「她沒有入圍」。

    莫女士稱,當日比賽存有錄音帶,有證據證明女兒是前八名,當時女兒也有同學在場,主辦方隨後請容閎小學派人來聽錄音帶,但卻稱他們沒有錄音機,莫女士只好自己花錢買了個錄音機,放比賽的存檔錄音帶。錄音帶內確實證明梁可人有入圍資格後,主辦方再度辯稱,當時宣布的人不是裁判,所以無效,學校對這一解釋提出反駁,因為宣布名次時,裁判就在旁邊,並未提出異議。

    莫女士隨後與美華協會(Organization of Chinese Americans)紐約分會取得聯繫,分會副主席、律師歐陽蕭安隨即與對方律師取得聯絡,對方最初仍是否定,只是表示「她沒有取得資格」(she did not make it),幾個小時後,對方主動致電,終於承認「犯了錯誤」。

    莫女士稱,這對女兒的自信是個傷害,女兒連續很久心情都很沮喪,她說,如果主辦方一開始就承認錯誤,什麼都可以改正過來,女兒也可以繼續參加比賽,之後的任何糾紛也可以避免。莫女士認為對方看到自己是少數族裔,才覺得可以「隨意欺負」。

    歐陽蕭安昨日表示,整個事情對莫女士一家都是「不公平」的。在更改比賽時,他們就忘記通知梁可人,之後更不承認錯誤,且一直刁難,他們不能認為華裔移民是「愚蠢」(stupid)的,可以被欺騙,權利可以被剝奪。

    紐約分會會長許佩已在4月8日致函教育局總監克萊恩(Joel Klein),稱紐約市應該有一個公平的教育環境,此次政府的作法讓他們非常失望,分會希望克萊恩可以徹查此次事故,給社區一個公平的回覆。許佩並對莫女士的作法表示支持,她說,如果華裔家長不站出來,華裔永遠都會被欺負,被當作「二等公民」對待,「我們必須就我們的權利發聲,杜絕任何形式的歧視存在。」

  19. 喂! 有乜可能先? 呢樣嘢真係 possible but not probable 呀. 貪污30萬 (加幣4萬左右) 就叫「大老虎」? 我諗以前呀昌星哥一封利是都唔止咁多啦!

    重有呀, 喺大陸, 一貪污就象徵式塔低頭上法院打個 round, 再一拎轉頭就拉去後巷槍斃個囉喎; 重會咁神彩飛揚企喺道對住個咪嘅?

    呢個會唔會係陳良宇個替身, 拉出嚟做 show 架咋?

  20. 多倫多華人組織在413去渥太華抗議加拿大總理支持藏獨,租車出現問題的原因,請參閱今天星島日報:

    http://www.singtao.ca/tor/2008-04-12/1207985176d953660.html

  21. 《莊子》外篇第三〈胠篋〉:「彼竊鉤者誅,竊國者諸侯;諸侯之門,而仁義存焉」

  22. 東方日報
    (12/04/2008)

    敗 於 政 治 , 生 於 政 治 。 陳 良 宇 因 政 治 鬥 爭 被 拿 下 , 但 也 因 政 治 鬥 爭 而 檢 回 一 條 命 。 中 共 內 部 的 上 海 幫 雖 然 已 經 式 微 , 行 將 退 出 政 治 舞 台 , 但 其 影 響 猶 存 , 胡 溫 不 能 不 給 老 人 家 面 子 , 不 能 將 事 做 絕 。

    此 外 , 自 從 文 化 大 革 命 結 束 以 後 , 中 共 內 部 政 治 鬥 爭 方 式 也 發 生 了 變 化 。 從 鄧 小 平 開 始 , 政 治 鬥 爭 就 不 再 以 消 滅 對 方 的 肉 體 生 命 為 目 標 , 而 是 以 終 止 對 方 的 政 治 生 命 、 消 除 對 方 的 權 力 影 響 為 目 標 , 從 胡 耀 邦 、 趙 紫 陽 、 陳 希 同 , 到 今 天 的 陳 良 宇 無 不 如 此 。

  23. His timing and duration of sentence may suggest that there is some political consideration and even negotiations behind the door between Hu’s fraction against the old power led by former President Jiang. After all, he represents someone from the less influential Shanghai Gang which he once had the backing of Jiang. Otherwise, he could/should have been executed 18 times under normal circumstances.

  24. 尋找它鄉的臭蟲

    Could those folks that go to Ottawa tomorrow please change your banners from “Message from Chinese Community…" to “Message from Chinese visitors, visa students, guests, and others who own Canadian passports and love the benefits and freedoms here but brainwashed to feel pissed about having the West constantly back-mouth China"

    I for one do not authorize nor endorse such representation. By the way, when you get there, in midst of all emotional chanting and protests, please use whatever has left in your brain to remember two things.

    First, Canada allows her residents the right to protest even against her government. The country you are rooting for can not.

    Second, I hope the organizers have thought about the logistics when 3000 zombies with one “purpose“ gather presumably in the Parliament. Otherwise, I am afraid that the surrounding people/businesses have to find ways to deal with the noise (for you are unlikely to protest in English or French) and with the messes when tons of people flock to the nearby washrooms and with the litter or even kid’s wastes after your departure.

  25. wow, everyday you ask for more buses, how could they handle this order? You are not the only customers, they have other clients to serve, man! Please be reasonable! If you go reserve tables at a restaurant, and then keep adding people to more than their capacity, how could this take your order? right? Don’t say everything is political pressure. If you want respect from other people, please respect others first.

  26. 足球迷: you still read Singtao? I read the news in Ming Pao too. These so-called “representing chinese community" organizations are asking too much lar……..what if they can’t come back to Toronto in time to pick up the kids to school? All the parents would be up in arms!

  27. Wenger 兄:

    I just read Singtao and Mingpao at the internet for a few minutes as daily routine。 I feel very bad that those people representing Chinese community here as many Chinese in GTA may not agree with them。

  28. 一個火炬代表左中國重新站在世界GE前台﹐代表左和平﹑發展﹑和一個受盡苦難民族GE甦醒的信息。

    但是呢個世界上就有一的人睇唔過眼﹐是都要抵毀你﹐消滅你﹐要你屋企四分五裂, 陷家鏟﹐死剩絕后先至安樂﹗就好似你開PARTY大宴親朋GE時候個的人就系你個仔間房到放火﹗然後誣陷你對個仔唔好﹐系你大門處淋屎水一樣卑鄙賤格。

    呢個仍然是個弱肉強食GE世界﹐中國人一定要站起來! 因為倒下去就意味住滅亡! 中華民族不會亡!

  29. 陳 良 宇 所 犯 罪 行 中 的 任 何 一 條 , 如 果 是 普 通 老 百 姓 所 為 , 至 少 要 被 判 無 期 徒 刑 , 如 果 數 罪 並 罰 , 當 獲 死 刑 無 疑 。 不 久 前 轟 動 全 國 的 許 霆 案 中 , 因 銀 行 方 面 出 現 錯 誤 , 一 個 年 輕 人 一 時 貪 心 而 多 取 了 十 幾 萬 元 , 被 法 院 一 審 判 決 無 期 徒 刑 。 按 照 這 個 邏 輯 , 陳 良 宇 所 作 所 為 給 國 家 造 成 巨 額 損 失 , 不 判 處 死 刑 , 既 難 服 人 心 , 也 不 合 法 理 。

  30. Now that China is strong, I take pride being Chinese, people around me want to know more about China, Chinese words, culture, how to do business with China, my company wants to open a branch in China, their kids want to learn Chinese…I cannot conveniently take the glory on one hand, then, on the other hand bash China. I wish China will improve more and more, I will lament that it will be good if China do this do that…but when I see China being ganged up trashed by the media like that, that is not cool!

    To love my mother country does not mean I support everything that she has done. Just like I love my parents, but not always agree with what they do. However, if someone hurt them, I will for sure stand up for them, that is called love, and cannot be conveniently turn on/off.

    To the person who claimed that those marching to Ottawa do not represent him, that’s fine. I for one am grateful that they show their love to the motherland publicly, wish I could do that too.

  31. 呀, 我剛剛去信給哈巴總埋詳細講出問題, 內容如下:

    哈巴總埋大人:

    我, 獨孤求丙, 現在代表全加國華人及十三億中國同胞, 及舊金山台山同鄉麻雀聯議會:

    1. 希望中國政府專重西藏人民意願, 獨立予否, 要聽隨他們要求。
    2. 要求中國改府向六四屠殺向中國人民道歉
    3. 要求中國改府要將殘體字變回正體字
    4. 要求中國改府不再一黨專政
    5. 要求中國人不要再在公衆場合踎街
    6. 因為我是代表全加國華人, 所以要求將所有人頭稅退欵, 全數入落我個 account, B毛銀行 户口厤巴: 1284-8888333
    7. 要求…(哈巴總埋大人, 諗到再寫…)

    明天我將會代表非洲索己唔回機里古老掠人族, 再去信給哈巴總埋大人吧, 要求第二樣嘢 (唔好意思, 現今還未諗到想要求甚麼)。

  32. 好一個傻佬“獨孤求丙”﹐人如其名﹐丙得少﹐五行欠打。

  33. 中國人真的這麽乞人憎, 與[有一的]非中國人存在深仇大恨, 他們要令中國人[四分五裂, 陷家鏟﹐死剩絕后先至安樂]? 為什麽?

    這[有一的非中國人]為什麼這樣痛恨中國人, 中國人做了什麼對他們不起的事, 他們要作出這麼嚴重程度的報復? 如果只是[睇唔過眼], 這[有一的非中國人]簡直是魔鬼, 毫無人性!

    做中國人真沉重. 被這麼多的魔鬼圍攻? 不要患了妄想症和狂妄症, 這世上不只有[中國人]和[非中國人]. 為什麼會有一的(其實數目也不少)不同種族和國家的人, 異口同聲地對中國人提出一些他們認為中國人做得不妥的批評?

    不錯, 中國人是要站起來, 並且要迎向世界, 但其旨在於勇敢面對批評, 自我檢討和反省, 而不是沉迷於口號和教條, 自我催眠和妄想和虛幻世界之中.

  34. “All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.”

    – George Orwell, Animal Farm, Ch 10

  35. 墨尔本和悉尼的游行队伍庞大 有上万人(有照片,转自westca)

    今天墨尔本和悉尼两地支持祖国的游行队伍十分庞大,均有数千人之众。士气高昂,秩序井然,zd和反华势力连个影子都没出现。

    电视10台到墨尔本现场采访,新闻刚播了,几个弟兄很解气,一个大呼:“CNN IS BULL”,另一个大呼:“WHO KILL WHO, THAT IS THE QUESTION”,甚好甚慰

    http://www.westca.com/News/article/sid=72459/lang=schinese.html

  36. What is NED(Endowment for Democracy)?

    It just supported and still supports the killing of Chinese.

    What a “Democratic" joke.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8625

  37. Cat Lover:

    why people want to kill you or other Chinese?

    They don’t need a reason, because they can.

  38. China used to be great, so Chinese looked at all other nations’ people as barbarians or low standard, and need Chinese to teach/show them how to govern and how to live life. We all know the result of such arrogance- the down turn of China in global status for the past 500 years.
    When China down turned, European countries, due to the spice route, was blocked by Muslim countries, they started their exploration, which it also included murdering of hundreds million of native people living in land being “discovered". Western countries became great, so Western people looked at all other nations’ people as barbarians and low standard, and need Western people to teach/show them how to govern and how to live life. History is always repeating itself…
    Though I feel bad when Western bad mouth China, but I’m beginning to think this is a new kind of check and monitor that is very helpful to the betterment of China, as long as it is not about splitting up China.

  39. 你凭什么代表我们 ? 我们随时可以买起百万部
    巴士 。我们淹没渥太华也可以 。

  40. NED, your link is very informative, as least this cannot be fake-
    …According to declassified US intelligence documents released in the late 1990s, “for much of the 1960s, the CIA provided the Tibetan exile movement with $1.7 million a year for operations against China, including an annual subsidy of $180,000 for the Dalai Lama.”…But the prime interest of Tibet for Washington today is its potential to act as a lever to destabilize and blackmail the Beijing Government…

  41.   4月13日星期日,數千華人從多倫多,蒙特利爾及其它城市云集加拿大首都渥太華國會山庄廣場,舉行了華人在加拿大史上規模最大一次反對藏獨反對阻撓奧運火炬傳遞反對西方媒体不客觀報道的示威集會。

      多倫多華人租用近50輛大巴,蒙特利爾華人租用5輛大巴,自今早7點過后,由各地出發,向渥太華匯集。同時,亦有几百輛私家車從四面八方駛向渥太華。

      自稱新聞客觀公正自由的加拿大媒体,電視台等,今天几乎一邊倒地封殺這場新聞,几乎一律不加以報道,任何一家電視台上非但見不到實況或播報(只有CBC廣播電台1台有評論報道),卻能見到几家大小電視台在集會進行時頻頻報道与達賴喇
    嘛訪問西雅圖相關的節目。

      加拿大國家廣播公司還對其网頁http://www.cbc.ca/ottawa/左側的24小時渥太
    華國會山庄攝像頭進行了特意遮擋,把圖像下半部分廣場上一片五星紅旗的紅色海洋畫面完全屏蔽掉。

      看來,西方媒体也并非如其自稱那樣能夠客觀公正自由地報道新聞事實,而也是根据對內容的喜好,主觀片面地,按其价值觀取向有選擇地,夸張地大報特報什么,封殺不報什么。

  42. 太尷尬. 呢班糞同志們真正二五反骨. 作為華裔加拿大人, 人海式聚集在議會前面, 高舉紅旗, 大唱"國"歌, 大聲支持擁護祖國, 指指點點批評總理. 好似忘記咗自己嘅身分. 作為一個加拿大人睇, 佢哋似乎覺得自己係90%中國公民, 10%加拿大公民. 如果兩國之間有嚴重的衝突. 佢哋肯定會一面倒表示支持中國反對加拿大. 平日已經不夠融入主流, 不關心本地活動, 自成一角, 再噉落去, 遲早使其他人反感變成排華. 仲唔係將奧運政治化咩? 無眼睇.

  43. [華國會山庄攝像頭進行了特意遮擋,把圖像下半部分廣場上一片五星紅旗的紅色海洋畫面完全屏蔽掉。… 封殺不報什么]

    因為好奀眼!!!!

  44. 你地班Chink Chinaman竟然干作反!

    系我地白人地方要民主?

    快的番返你地個支那國要民主!

  45. NED 君:

    不同種族和國家的人, 無緣無故地要[令中國人[四分五裂, 陷家鏟﹐死剩絕后先至安樂]的推想所根據的是什麼? 合乎常理嗎?

    整天認為有人要置自己於死地, 這樣想法會令自己無時無刻生活在警戒與惶恐之中, 中國人生於世上, 就是要這樣生活的嗎? 有這種想法嚴重影響精神健康. 十四億中國人認為數十億的非中國人會不問情由地威脅自己的生存, 會形成極危險的狀態, 有為人類帶來災難性後果的可能. 必須除去這種想法, 否則, 不獨[中國人/中華民族滅亡], 全人類也將面臨滅亡!

  46. Cat Lover, read the link I posted.

  47. Hey Ll, “高等白人" like you….

    as a dog.

  48. NED,

    I did read it, but it can’t lead to generalize the conclusion that some people [don’t need a reason] to be opponents of Chinese/kill Chinese. It in fact pinpoints political reasons (using ‘Washington’ which should means US government). Think about the posting of the blogger, 中國人, 站起來! and the arguments I put forward.

  49. 一場沒有人留意的獨腳戲.

  50. Cat Lover 君:

    When Shakespeare said, “The world is but a stage and we are mere actors upon it”, that’s because he wrote novels and plays. When it comes to the geopolitical arena, every major player has to secure its own interests and I’d say, “The world is but a chess game and the pawn nations are mere chess pieces on it while the players run the show.”

    It is a well known fact that CIA or the NATO allies in general, especially in the 60’s and 70’s, exerted and still exert their influence on the world stage by ways of political assassination, supporting dissidents of the communist nations (such as Dalai Lama and defected Soviet spies), and making numerous attempts to create chaotic situations to destabilize opposing regimes that pose threats to America. Therefore, in a way, I understand the motive behind the 9/11 attacks but do I empathize with the Islamic extremists, let alone sympathize with these “people”?

    If you read the link posted by NED, F. William Engdahl uncovers quite a number of strategic moves used by Washington in an attempt to establish military bases around the sensitive regions in Eurasia/Indochina. In essence, financially supporting Dalai Lama and promoting him as some kind of God, in effect, put China in an awkward position when China is certainly his “hunter”. But….think about it, why did Dalai Lama become a dissident in the first place? Why didn’t he stay in Tibet, which is, sadly but true, a part of China now but instead turned himself into an “exile leader”?

    Engdahl explains the ugly facts of the west, but let’s raise the curtain and see some “biased propaganda from the west” on how China places its bets on evil regimes like the Taliban, Burma, and Iran! If selling weapons and financially supporting these indisputably rogue governments are the way to achieve balance of power, I’d say one has to turn a blind eye on what these governments are doing to their peoples before supporting China’s stance on its geopolitical moves. Even reckoning that there isn’t a lot of room to maneuver in this west-dominated world, one has to be pretty heartless to support other totalitarian regimes that come to no one’s surprise as carrying the label of evil!

    Foolishness, like these so-called Chinese-Canadians who barely speak English or French to bus to Ottawa en mass to demonstrate against Harper’s policy on Tibet, is just an understatement to describe these people and their puppet master!

  51. 獨孤求丙,
    http://www.mingpaotor.com/htm/News/20080414/taa3.htm
    目睹華僑大示威 藏獨支持者動搖…白人女青年在被問及對藏獨的態度時﹐坦承自己是藏獨的支持者﹐但今天看到這麼多的人在支持中國政府﹐支持北京奧運「我很驚訝會有這麼多人來集會支持北京奧運。要我說哪邊的對錯﹖我認為我堅持人權沒有錯﹐但現在兩邊各有各的說法﹐而我也許也應該聽一聽反藏獨人士的看法吧﹖」

  52. 獨孤兄:

    謝謝你給我的留言.

    我最近的數篇留言, 主要是回應[中國人, 站起來!]君所代表的一撮將中國人作為一群體, 指被[非中國人]不問情由地迫害這一觀點. 形成這觀點的元素包括, 自卑, 自大和妄想! 至於在國際政治舞台的角力, 則是另外一回事了!

  53. http://www.wforum.com/newspool/articles/headline/114706.html

    咁樣ge媒體會“公平又公正”﹐會替你地的中國人著想“民主自由”﹐“幸福快樂”?

    我丕!

  54. 又愛又恨:黑白不分:

    Sure, I’d be delighted to 聽一聽反藏獨人士的看法. Granted that I’ve seen quite a few already, including the youtube video possibly made by Beijing government or one of its highly-controlled media outlets. If anyone already forgot, let me refresh your memory. It’s the one that flashes images of the maps of China dating all the way back to a few dynasties ago, with captions such as: " Don’t you fxxxing get it, Tibet is and always has been a fxxxing part of China!"

    If you buy that, we’d be having pigtails behind our skulls; women should be submissive to men, dictatorship should be the norm, and expansionism/imperialism should be the ultimate goal of every leader (sorry, make it emperor) of the world’s nations.

    Let’s right the wrongs. Don’t be a fool and just let go. When a nation is to be aspired upon, people and nations will come to you and form strategic alliances. When it is not, forced partnership becomes an abusive relationship and it’s got to end! However, referencing F. William Engdahl article, this abusive relationship can hardly come to an end, given the immensity of strategic importance and resources in this piece of land some might refer to as “Shangrila".

  55. 從八國聯軍火燒圓明院到依家為石油死傷無數ge伊拉克﹐中國人只有自己救自己﹐無人會幫你。

    http://image.baidu.com/i?ct=201326592&cl=2&lm=-1&tn=baiduimage&pv=&word=%88A%C3%F7%88@&z=0

  56. Cat Lover 君:

    You are welcome.

    Hypersensitivity on other races’ and nations’ finger pointing invariably and conveniently turns into a kind of hysteria we call xenophobia. Be wary of other nations’ prying eyes is natural, but , when excessively done, China will turn into a nation of paranoia.

  57. Cat Lover, 我就親身去過圓明園﹐我也從此唔會再相信的咩“廢凸霉”國人。

    你唔信可以去被“民主自由”左ge伊拉克住兩日感受下。

  58. 为她而骄傲

    http://www.wforum.com/newspool/articles/headline/114683.html

  59. 點敢做"nation of paranoia"?

    呢個是美國佬專利﹐呢個世界上點會有人夠膽侵犯﹖

    hahaha…

  60. http://www.517sc.com/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=14&ID=266956&page=1%20

  61. 足球迷:

    Hope next year is better.

    http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~1288847,00.html

  62. Sure, the media in the West are quite biased in their reports. But why? Why France, Germany, English all gang up on China? What are they so against about the Chinese? If China is so victimized here by the Tibetan separatists, why China kicked all reporters out of Tibet and instead fed them their version of “truth”? Why not let the world see how violent the Tibetans were first hand. For that, China is its own worst enemy.

    When one says China is strong and making gradual progress towards democracy. Then, ask those poor peasants who were evicted from their properties and farmlands without proper compensation yet face constant repression from the corrupt officials; those expendable miners whose safety and lives mean less than the minerals deposit they produce; those aging people in rural areas who can’t afford the daily food under skyrocketing inflation, let alone enough money to seek proper medical treatment; and those children whose parents don’t have enough money even to feed themselves or to pay for their tuition fees. Be empathetic, if some of your relatives belongs to one of them, would you still praise China and say they (those people) are just a small price for economic prosperity?

    When measuring a country’s success, I would care less about how many high rise building are being in a city; or how many metric tones of cement are poured in relation to the other countries’? Take a close look at the basic needs and wellbeing of the people, especially those that are the less fortunate. Are they better off now or worse off than in Mao’s time?

    An excerpt from 魯迅《外國也有》

    「假使世界上衹有一家有臭蟲,而遭別人指摘的時候,實在也不大舒服的,但捉起來卻也真費事。況且北京有一種學說,說臭蟲是捉不得的,越捉越多。即使捉盡了,又有什麼價值呢,不過是一種消極的辦法。最好還是希望別家也有臭蟲,而竟發見了就更好。發見,這是積極的事業。」

    How many people (including those who went to Ottawa yesterday) are actually spending times to reflect or just being busy to find bugs (尋找它鄉的臭蟲)?

  63. 中國人, 站起來!君:

    對不起, 恕在下愚笨, 不能明白閣下留言的意思. 我不能同意會[有一的非中國人]不問情由地去[令中國人[四分五裂, 陷家鏟﹐死剩絕后先至安樂]這一觀點, 與參觀圓明園和[被“民主自由”左ge伊拉克]有什麽關係? 難道也有一的非伊拉克人, 不問情由地去令伊拉克人[四分五裂, 陷家鏟﹐死剩絕后先至安樂]? 那些[非伊拉克人]也包括了中國人?

  64. cytodex “尋找它鄉的臭蟲" is a very good analogy. However, what about bugs being planted by foreign countries? The world is a big pie in terms of resources, all countries are completing to get the most. Communism, Capitalism, Colonization, Globalization, … There is no such thing as evil or good countries, this is propaganda, all are about gaining power over others. In order to do this, bugs are planted, not just home grown🙂

  65. to the people who went to ottawa yesterday,
    i am wondering how come there was not any activity ( april 13 ottatwa ) in beijing, shanghai……
    u guys went for using the freedom here, besides,
    for the travel coupons too, we would go ( for getting coupons ) when didn’t have to work

  66. 中國公眾不僅僅需要人文奧運、科技奧運、綠色奧運,還需要民主奧運、人權奧運、自由奧運。- 胡佳

  67. 中國政府放D西方媒體入西 藏 親身去 睇 下西 藏同 報道 下 發 生 了什麽事 咪得 囉。何 以劳烦 在 世界上另外一角,不在西 藏 现 場 的 數千人在 國會山庄解釋 西 藏 衝突? 好 在 加拿大媒体,電視台等,不加以報道,否則尷尬死。遲早使其他人反感變成排華,噉落去。

    反對藏獨反對阻撓奧運火炬傳遞反對西方媒体不客觀報道的示威集會的人,don’t use the term “多倫多華人社區" I refuse to be included!!

  68. 海外華人的perspective与國內的不一樣, 因為國內相對安全,共產党做了件大好事,那就是保護國內人不讓國際上100年連續不斷的對中國的妖魔化所困擾。

    而海外華人是最直接﹐最面對著中國妖魔化﹐ 他們的反應當然比國內要強烈一些, 有什麼可奇怪?

  69. 可惜有的人的大腦一是萎縮。相反的話,就是腦汁絞盡了思考如何反華辱華,詆毀同胞們的愛國行動。

  70. 腦袋用在這些地方, 腦汁都絞干了, 大腦萎縮了. 建議切除手術, 反正他也沒有在用.

  71. 做人就是要求得一個尊嚴,每次听到西方白皮人肆意辱罵中國人的時候,我心中就在淌血,這心中的痛苦与仇恨實在是太深了,每一次的辱罵就留下一次的傷痕,如今這些傷痕已是我記憶中不可磨滅的一部分了!

  72. 可能你們沒有去過西藏,不太清楚當地實況。小弟曾經在O6年尾以「半玩半工作」形式在西藏逗留一個月。雖不敢說了解西藏問題,但也算去過拉薩,親眼見過的和書本上的落差很大。寫"The Lost Horizon"嘅作者其實未去過西藏,但千萬「好天真好傻」的西人就因此以為西藏原是一個Shangrila天堂,其實解放前西藏是一個落後的農奴社會而已。
    其實大昭寺一點都不宏偉莊嚴,像個大雜院,虔誠地磕長頭的只有少數老人家,大部份喇嘛都在寺內不停地數銀紙,因為那些老信眾和西人不斷把錢「攝」進封存佛像的玻璃箱內。為甚麼會「攝錢」?因為有心人早已在差不多所有佛像的手上都「攝」滿了各種外幣,包括已失效的德國馬克和意大利里拉,唯恐外國人唔明白。
    大昭寺的喇嘛亦比較「潮」,我見到不少都穿Nike波鞋的,把玩著手機和聽MP3(可能正在聽佛經)。我們的司機(極反共的藏民)很討厭大昭寺的喇嘛,說他們不修繕大昭寺而把錢放高利貸,每天「收工」後就脫掉喇嘛袍去唱K(有三陪嗰隻)!女從何來?拉薩所有酒店都有三陪K,再加上街頭街尾的洗浴中心,色情事業其實和東莞小鎮差不多。我住的那一家酒店也有夜總會,媽咪是四川人,曾在深圳打滾過,她在拉薩有二百條女,來自全國各地,大部分是四川人,當然也有藏女。
    拉薩市中心很細,很多商店都是四川人開的,一點當地特色也沒有。大昭寺八閣街一帶,全都是「呃鬼佬」的混合餐廳(由印度菜到日本菜都有)和青年旅社,市容極差,老鼠和蒼蠅穿梭於小販之中,那有甚麼Shangrila!
    西藏問題其實不是甚麼種族文化的滅絕,而是全世界少數民族都要面對的現代化和城市化問題。一個西藏年青人跟一個日本電車男,透過Internet,可能同在看有關Apple iPod的新聞和BT同一套日本AV,他們也會因沉迷於流行文化而質疑或疏遠本身的傳統。
    另一方面,和東南亞國家排華的歷史一樣,藏民在急速城市化過程中,追不上外來人的競爭。這未必是他們懶散,而是他們未習慣這種節奏,但結果卻是非常明顯的:財富進入了外來人(主要是漢人)的口袋,自己的生活卻因通脹而受傷,再加上大量奢侈品的出現,產生「求之不得,若有所失」的仇恨心態。假如有人煽動一下,針對漢人的暴亂當然一觸即發!
    假如是和平示威,武力鎮壓當然無理;但官方以至遊客的攝錄片段均顯示,那群「疑似藏民」(我沒有其他人厲害到一眼就看得出生事的是不是藏民)是在暴動,那麼鎮壓當然合理,而鎮壓就當然要用武力,難道派錢嗎?
    西藏是不是中國的一部分根本不重要,因為無論是與否都無助當地人的生計!一個普通的藏民只會關心自己的日子過得好不好,「特別的」藏民才會儲心積慮大造文章,配合劣質傳媒,硬把2001年武警西藏總隊拍攝電影《天脈傳奇》的照片,說成解放軍扮喇嘛搗亂!
    全世界最唔想西藏出事嘅就係中國政府,他們又怎會蠢到自導自演呢?暴動過後旅業蕭條,受害的又是誰呢?還不又是西藏的藏民!獲益的是誰?相信不難猜吧!

  73. 海外華人君:

    請問當閣下[每次听到西方白皮人肆意辱罵中國人的時候], 除了[心中就在淌血]外, 還做了些什麽?
    請問閣下有沒有曾思考以下的問題? 如有, 請賜教答案.

    1. 為什麽[西方白皮人]會肆意辱駡中國人? 正如我在前數篇留言所提出的疑問: 為什麽有人會毫無因由地攻擊中國人?
    2. 指責/辱駡的內容是什麽? 說得有道理嗎? 如果沒有道理, 有試圖解釋或澄清誤會嗎?
    3. 究竟有沒有弄清楚指責/辱駡的對象是一般的中國人? 還是中國/中共政府?

    此外, 隨了[西方白皮人]外, 有沒有聽到其他的人, 如[東方黃皮人], [東方黑皮人]等指責/辱駡中國人呢?

    是療治所謂記憶中不能磨滅傷痕的時候了!

  74. 黃毓仁兄:

    多謝分享親身體會的西藏經歷.

    此文極具水準, 其中的評論更是一針見血. 再表謝意!

  75. Thanks, 毓民…I mean… 毓仁 for the detailed account of 拉薩 and 西藏 in general. Having read your rundown on 西藏’s current situation, I think I would have missed all those details even if I were there in person…

    Oh, 毓…仁, you have a date set for coming over to Toronto again?

  76. 毓仁兄:

    首先多謝兄台對西藏近况的觀察及感受,小弟從未踏足西藏,但喜愛西藏及新疆古錢,所以亦有一些對西藏有興趣的朋友,據他們所說,目前西藏比對中國各大小城市,都相對的落後很多,但很難想像出會如兄台描述般腐敗,唉!在外地的西藏人,千方百計及義無反顧地支持藏獨,其中一個心態就是自己子女一定比其他人好,自己子女如何敗家都好過被他人奪去自己田地。所以在藏獨問題上,只能表示中立,不予支持。但對西藏人的景况,寄予同情。

  77. 黃毓仁的 西藏當地實況 經歷 ,是 西藏 遭中 共漢化後的 結果. 令 藏民 質疑或疏遠本身的傳統.

  78. China Upholds Use of Death Penalty

    http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-04-15-voa14.cfm

    Why 陳良宇 is exempted?

  79. 懼怕被妖魔化者,通常心中有魔,試想一個天仙下凡般的美女,被一個母夜叉般的醜婦譏諷為豬扒,美女只會置之不理,但是假如兩人位置對調,醜婦一定會痛罵〝有人妖魔化我〞。
    華人特別是大陸人,是一個極度自卑 / 自大的民族,首先對自己缺乏信心,被批評諷刺兩句即刻暴跳如雷,從來不知自省,今次奧運傳送事件,更加清楚看到西方如何對中共定位。
    ﹝妖魔化﹞並不是外國人對華人獨有,華人亦有不少妖魔化老外,番鬼佬、花旗鬼、紅毛鬼、蘿蔔頭、摩囉差、馬拉鬼等等,彭定康是千古罪人更出自中共高官之口,中共妖魔化敵人絕不口軟,它才是臭口族表表者。
    心中淌血,是你個人問題,你舔共,將自己與中共綑綁在一起,別人批評中共你淌血是自取其辱,我每次看完陶傑、蘇博士諷刺中共文章,都會開懷大笑,大讚抵死到肉,皆因劃清界線!

  80. The quote from voa above makes me want to puke

  81. Stay in Canada… and says LOVE PR of China.. it is the time to go back… Why you come to Canada… for what.. taste the insult … Ha ha. you know.. Why we stay in Canada… because we can talk whatever we like…nobody will arrest you.

  82. 足球迷:
    The Guardian and the Daily Mirror reported Tuesday that Ferdinand had come to an agreement much more quickly this time and that his new contract will be worth as much as 120,000 pounds ($239,000 Canadian) a week.

    Does he worth that much$? I don’t think so! Man U overpaid him!

  83. Wenger 兄:

    Ferdinand打得最好是剛從West Ham轉會去Man U 的頭兩三年,之後便水準下降,他當然不值120,000 pounds/week,不過曼聯大把金錢,overpaid 都無所謂啦,最重要是兵馬足,爭標才有望。

  84. Cat Lover 君:
    你的讚賞實在過譽了。我也只是說出所見所聞,再加上一點愚見吧!像你對所有事情都有用腦去思考和你對異見者的包容,才是我要學習的榜樣呢!
    求丙兄:
    我現在就在多倫多,你不是要找我「求丙」吧?!我毓仁真的會「郁人」啊!🙂
    足球迷兄:
    西藏之旅的確印象深刻。因為貧富懸殊問題在當地非常嚴重,若藏獨後能改善貧窮的生活我必定支持。只怕有些人為了權力而導致民不聊生,將已存在的問題更加惡化,那些活在水深火熱之中的平民百姓就真的「多得佢唔少」了。

  85. 毓仁兄:

    哈哈哈, 想在下以後以免誤會, 要改名為「獨孤求偶」喇…當然係偶像個偶吧…但回為晨早已經視閣下為偶像, 所以才再不用改此更加容易另人誤會的名字吧!

    其實才下亦畧有所聞, 對西藏情形亦估到少少, 但亦同足球迷兄同一立場, 支持藏人自決, 正是「柵埋門篤腐乳」亦好過被人「撚住條頸餵魚翅」吧, 而且我亦相信藏人以前真的被共產屠殺過, 現在想逃走的亦被共軍射殺, 真是慘不忍堵呀!

    不過真係多謝哂你話我哋知西藏內情, 下次 CCC 再見啦!

  86. 身為国家主席,在此,我想向Rizal同志表達對他(她)的欽敬!

    Rizal同志,你無收取金錢或得到利益,都肯為中国共產黨長篇大論的宣傳,你不愧為中国共產黨的宣傳機器,我欽敬、欽敬你。

    請你估吓我有無錢收呢?


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