發文作者:kahoo | 三月 27, 2008

香港民主之父告別議會生涯

李剛﹕   換作我會更早退

對於李柱銘退出議會生涯,中聯辦副主任李剛表示,尊重李的決定,但拒絕評論其功過及不再出選對民主黨的影響。李剛說:「如果是我的話,可能會更早一點,到6566(退下來),以健康、家人為重,過去說話叫『萬里長城今猶在,不見當年秦始皇』,人早晚都是這樣。


Responses

  1. Errrr….

    I want to puke..

  2. 李柱銘退選立會甘乃威有望入局機會

    民主黨元老李柱銘昨晚向黨員表明,因年事已高及考慮家人的原固,決定不再參選9月的立法會選舉,令擬參選港島區的第二梯隊甘乃威有望入局。

    有黨成員透露,晚上10時許收到民主黨中委會傳出的電話短訊,指李柱銘不會參選來屆立法會選舉,中委會並感謝李柱銘過去多年的貢獻。

    該成員說,李柱銘過去多次表示退意,只是黨希望他參選,故對李的退選決定不感意外。他相信周日的會員大會會有決定。甘乃威在港島區補選時「讓位」與前政務司司長陳方安生參選,楊森早前亦表明會排在甘參選名單之後。

    (都市日報 2008年03月28日)

  3. 李柱銘先生服務立法會二十多年,係退出的時侯了,雖然不是民主黨擁護者,但都不想他捱下去,好好利用退休日子,與至親一起遊山玩水,補償以前太緊忙而失去與家人一起的時間,是人生一大樂事,如再失去,恐怕會後悔一世。有空餘時間也可以做一些顧問工作,扶助年青一代民主戰士。順祝李先生退休生活愉快,身體健康!

  4. 社會上太多牆頭草, 西瓜靠大邊, 能夠像李柱銘堅持自己見解有多少人.

  5. 言論自由是最重要的.

  6. 你唔玩我咪好冇癮,第日想鬧人係漢奸都唔得,唉!無敵係最寂寞。

  7. 李柱銘:

    哎! 比機會啲後輩玩啦. 爭取民主少啲心血都唔得架. 辭職後, 有時間落嚟呢喥吹水玩吓. 呢度乜辯論, 乜怪論, 幾無倫都有. 有長氣, 小氣, 放臭氣嘅人. 你見慣大場面難唔倒你. 最緊要唔好太認真, 廢事激親變痴筋.

  8. 李柱銘的退選, 現階段最惆悵和心情最複雜者, 莫過於香港的土共.

    1. 一方面感到高興, 因為在民主陣營具份量的李退選, 或多或少對民主派的實力會有負面的影響, 那便增加了他們取勝的機會.
    2. 另一方面, 李不再為立法會議員, 加上年事日高, 參與行動且站在前線的機會減少, 可預期會涉及開罪[亞爺]的機會隨著亦會減少, 他們少了藉惡駡李而向[亞爺]奉承的機會.
    3. 他們在這一刻最為難的是, 在[亞爺](中聯辦)未對李退選評論/表態前, 他們不知如何回應記者追問他們對李退選的意見. 譚耀宗拒絶評論, 曾鈺成回應說: [民主派不會做一些事出來, 增加我們在選舉的勝算(大意)](這是什麼回應, 他心中只有選舉! 完全沒有[人]的因素. 但話說回來, 一個被他們臭駡為漢奸的人, 他能說些什麽? 難道可以如馬英九般向對手表示感謝(二十三年的服務)!) 凡事要仰望亞爺面色做人真悲哀!

  9. 李柱銘表示,多謝市民多年來的支持,他知道今次決定會令部分選民不開心。他說,要相信年輕一代,無人是不可代替的,他仍會為民主運動努力。

    他說,從政23年來,最大可惜是他的民主夢及回鄉夢仍遙遙無期。他指,相信不再參選,並不會增加他可以返回內地的機會。

  10. 李柱銘表示he once looked at the Communist Party and thought those guys were too old, now he felt 民主黨 had him would be older than the folks in Communist Party. Martin has his wisdom. I don’t know why it took those 譚耀宗, 曾鈺成, .. such a hard time to comment. 長江後浪推前浪, generation replacement/renewal is the only way to keep any entity, group, party, country, going forward. I’m glad Martin did it, I respect him.

  11. Voice Of America – the world’s Biggest Propaganda Machine

    CIA – historically, the world’s largest terrorist group funder/support, and it is true!

  12. Democracy (literally “rule by the people", from the Greek demos, “people", and kratos, “rule") is a form of government. While the term democracy is typically used in the context of a political state, the principles are also applicable to other groups and organizations.

  13. 民主的形式:
    (維基百科)

    直接民主制,又稱參與民主制,是一種民主體制的理論。該理論認為每一個公民也應該可以直接參與所有政策的制訂,而方法是全體投票來決定,例如公民投票便是其中一種實踐直接民主的方式。不過要動所有公民經常為政策投票,需要動用到過多人力物力,並不切實際,因此在現實世界上,大多數民主國家使用的主要是代議民主制,只會在少數極為重要的政策才舉行全民公決。

    代議民主制又稱間接民主制,是指立法機關的成員是由公民以選舉形式選出,並代表其在議會中行使權力(代議),與之相反的是直接民主制。除了在選舉中外,選民和被選者並無約束關係,即被選者在議會中的行為並無義務遵從選民的意願(會否影響他下次當選是另一回事)。

    美國和英國的政治體制,一般被視為西方代議政制的典範。

    許多一黨執政的共產主義國家也會以民主自稱,例如(前)德意志民主共和國、朝鮮民主主義人民共和國和中華人民共和國。但他們明顯的將政治權力給予統治階層的共產黨成員,稱之為民主集中制。

  14. 2008-03-28 05:34:02
    點擊:3200

    下午先打電話給voa北京辦事處,接電話的是個女的,我問:美國之音問什麼仇恨中國人民?女的說我回答不了,我只是在voa工作的中國人,我說那我的問題怎麼辦?她說你打美國之音記者的電話吧,姓張。我說是美國人嗎?她說是美籍華人。留了個電話給我。需要說明的是這個“中國女人”態度極其惡劣,我最後教訓了她兩句。
    我打給那個姓張的美國之音記者,沒想到一打就通。我問:美國之音為什麼仇恨中國人民?他說你說說你的理由。我說:你們不報道中國13億人民熱情支持奧運會,卻偏偏選擇性的報道幾個垃圾叫囂抵制奧運會;你們不報道中國人民支持中國政府的政策,卻偏偏選擇性的報道幾個垃圾反對中國的政策;你們不報道世界100多個國家和組織支持中國,卻偏偏選擇性的報道幾個垃圾的雜音。

    張記者問:你說的垃圾指誰?我說:藏獨分子及其支持者。張記者問:你說的是藏族?(媽的陰險),我冷笑說:又來這一套,是藏獨!藏獨!

    然後張記者就辯解美國之音要客觀報道各方面的聲音雲雲。我說我注意過你們的報道,通篇都是藏獨及其支持者的語言,中磢瑭n音幾乎不佔篇幅,而且加上毀謗性的標題。

    此人又說中國政府片面,我說片面你是說的?此人不敢應答。我說你已經帶著中國政府片面的有色眼鏡去看問題,又怎能做到客觀公正?此人連忙聲稱所說言論僅代表本人意見,不代表美國之音。

    此人又說中國政府不讓其採訪,我數次欲插言,此人說:你說完了,現在該聽我說!我說你先說。此人說完後,我說:中國政府不讓西方記者採訪的決定完全正確!因為你們的報道不客觀真實,達賴喇嘛必然會鼓動人通過自殺、自傷在你們面前表演,必然用其宗教欺騙手段借用你們不客觀公正的西方媒體的力量鼓動更多人參加暴亂,那樣局面會更加混亂,中國人最懂得怎樣去處理!此人未進行反駁。

    此人又說:中國政府為什麼不讓聯合國介入?我冷笑說:你以為中國是伊拉克?是緬甸?中國完全有能力處理!

    最後,我說:聽說你是美籍華人,希望你報道的時候記住這一點!再見!

    總體感覺,這些個“美籍華人”為了其主子利益,極其陰險要套你說出他需要的話証明它的觀點,nnd!但我們這個時候是需要向他們發出我們的聲音!

    編輯:龍芯

  15. 美國之音北京辦事處被北京市民辱罵 // March 28, 2008 at 11:25 am

    看完這篇文章後,我覺得中國大陸的人習慣了新聞媒體是國家宣傳機器,傳媒宣傳國家政策,為政府塗脂抺粉是天經地義,不這樣做就被視為大逆不道,他們可能不知道,這歪理離開大陸來到這裡就變成笑話。
    數天前,1430有位聽眾打電話到時事節目,也是說加拿大中文傳謀不應該報導不利中國大陸的消息,秦怡敬文世昌兩人啞口無言,不敢指出其非,真是有愧為時事評論員。

  16. 土共迴避評論李柱銘退選, 因為他們曾給李所戴的帽子太多和太大了. 人家現在宣佈退出議會選舉了, 再惡言相向似乎也說不過去, 但如果用詞温純, 又恐給別人(包括圍內對手/金手指)指立場軟弱, 給人攻擊的話柄, 自以為精於土共明哲保身的技倆如譚耀宗(不要忘記他現在是民建聯之主席) 之流, 在亞爺表態前不作回應便一點都不奇怪了.

  17. 姣婆蓮 // March 28, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    問題不在于批評不批評中國政府甚至于中國人﹐在于美國之音的報道一面倒﹐用假圖片﹐假新聞來誤倒讀者聽眾。

    這樣做不要說是連一個基本傳媒的應有守則都達不到﹐甚至是誹謗﹐假新聞﹐害人的犯罪行為。

    這次西藏事件中明明是有藏人殺害無辜百姓﹐你卻不懂得譴責﹐是不是到西方太久了﹐頭腦都被“民主”﹐“自由”洗得太厲害﹐都不知道怎麼思想了?

  18. 蓮姐:

    呢度D傳媒如廢柴,A瘟,猩倒等,都係不知所謂,尤以政治評論為甚,一牽涉到老共,立即雪擁藍關馬不前,不如改為國語廣播,或傳播中央人民廣播電台吧。如家豪及蘇博士般敢言者,已少之又少,再加上被某些勢力打壓,言論自由在傳媒中已經變成奢侈品了,西瓜靠大邊已成不可抗拒的大趨勢,呢班無品友繼續揾食吧!唉!

  19. Even soccer stars need to go for where the money is, else there would not be fake soccer in Italy.🙂
    But your are right, we need to criticize, else the situation will only get worse. When everything is one-sided it is no good, no good for a better China. Just like in the turn of 21th century, USA is one-sidedly strongest, she went alone to invade Iraq…

  20. “家豪及蘇博士般敢言者”???

    從來只聽過蘇某在報紙電臺上對中國政府﹐甚至是中國人惡言相向﹐但對美國殘暴殺害無辜卻從不見一字一詞﹐更沒有對這次西藏暴亂死去的無辜百姓發出憐吻。

    拿經費的﹐要為老闆說話﹐維持書店“經營”也難怪。

  21. 【明報專訊】李柱銘在記者會中表示,決定不再參選後,感到「舒服開心」,深信這是「正確的決定」。自言6月便年屆70歲的李柱銘自嘲,年輕時曾批評中國的老人政治,「我現在仲老過中國領導人,也是退下來的時候」,再參選便是「阻住地球轉」。

    對於獲公認為香港「民主之父」,李柱銘說自己只是「民主阿伯」,亦不會做民主黨的「精神領袖」,而是以基本黨員身分支持該黨。李柱銘昨日不忘寄語港人,不要讓港人爭取民主的基本價值,逐步消失。

    李柱銘表示,作出不再參選的決定後,「第一時間話畀太太及仔仔知,未見過佢兩個咁開心!」

  22. 【在于美國之音的報道一面倒﹐用假圖片﹐假新聞來誤倒讀者聽眾。】

    假如美國之音做謠,相信全球媒體一定爭相報導,但至今未有所聞(除此之外),我相信西方媒體的工作操守,反而中國大陸的媒體完全受共產黨指揮,失去獨立性,為黨和國家的利益而發放假新聞多不勝數。

  23. 許多傳媒自我審查, 畏首畏尾.

  24. catlover and football fan:

    I agree 100% with what you say. I tuned into A1 and 1430 at 6pm today and NONE of their program talks about Martin’s resignation…what they talk about is Tom Ford and Tibet. Is this news? This is obviously trying to avoid the topic.

    I am also very disappointed with a lot of ppl who said that “Martin should leave and shouldn’t do so much". Especially to those in HK who say this. You have forogtten that the democracy you are enjoying now doesn’t just arrive from heaven – it is the result of a life’s hardwork of people like Martin Lee and Wah Suk fighting for the democracy of HK. Why does HK enjoy it’s prosperity and freedom today? It is because there are people who risk their lives and their fortune to fight for freedom!! Martin is a laywer, he could chose to shut up his mouth and just be a lawyer and continue to make a lot of $$, he can choose to agree with Beijing and make a lot of $$ by doing business deals with them. Why does he choose to take his own time, and risk losing businesses and still fight for HK? It’s because he, and other democratic fighers in HK love HK and love China!

    I don’t see any future for HK’s democracy. Well at least we can now (hopefully) put out hopes on Taiwan.

  25. btw…Ka Ho…you really should organize a power politics fan club for periodic gatherings……I think a lot of us here would really support it….We need a place to hear people who speak their conscious…we need a place to vent!!

  26. 哈哈哈!洗腦?從未試過喎,一向生活在自由社會,隨意接觸任何保守、開放、左中右言論,從未被人阻止或干涉過。洽洽相反,與我們一河之隔的對岸,人民被強迫聽黨的話,讀共產主義理論,限制宗教信仰自由,所有文學藝術電影都過濾審查,在這種環境長大的人才有機會被共產黨洗腦。現在有些從大陸逃到加拿大的人,一邊呼吸加拿大自由的空氣,一邊放出在大陸帶來的臭屁,膽敢駡人被洗腦,快些去照照X光,檢查你的腦袋那裡出了問題吧。

  27. 家豪和蘇博士批評中國的說話句句言之有物,字字金石良言,絕非無的放矢,中共應該好好反省才對,要從中吸取教訓,知錯能改善莫大焉,你膽敢亂駡好人,真是不識好歹。

  28. Ah Fi March 28, 2008 at 5.52pm

    Tom Ford : incident already happened few days.

    Tibet Riot: incident already happened few weeks.

    Martin Lee’s resignation: to-day’s hottest topic.

    If “Fai Chai" and A1 did not talk about Martin’s resignation today, this means that the hosts are not professional. However, they got the monopoly. So what.

  29. 亞爺: “Jump”

    廢柴: “How high?”
    A瘟: “How low?”
    猩倒: “What? How are you?”

  30. “假如美國之音做謠,相信全球媒體一定爭相報導,但至今未有所聞"

    http://www.anti-cnn.com/

  31. 美國之音北京辦事處被北京市民辱罵: thanks for giving me the joke of the day here. A good laugh and you make my day. By the way, if you need X-ray of your skull, or CT scan of your brain, let me know, I’m a X-ray Tech. I can give you the earliest appointment.

    姣婆蓮 : you are right, some people need X-ray!

  32. http://www.anti-cnn.com

    于個各大網路搜尋"做人不能太CNN"

    http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%E5%81%9A%E4%BA%BA%E4%B8%8D%E8%83%BD%E5%A4%AACNN&meta=

    于個各大網路搜尋"做人不能太CNN" -2

    http://www.baidu.com/s?ct=0&ie=gb2312&bs=%D3%DA%B8%F6%B8%F7%B4%F3%CD%F8%C2%B7%CB%D1%D1%B0%22%D7%F6%C8%CB%B2%BB%C4%DC%CC%ABCNN%22&sr=&z=&cl=3&f=8&wd=%D7%F6%C8%CB%B2%BB%C4%DC%CC%ABCNN

    中国学生创建反CNN网站 做人不能太CNN成流行语-新闻频道-和讯网
    而在中国本土,网民们则发起了“做人不能太CNN”的流行口头禅,表示对西方媒体不实报导的极大不满。海外媒体指鹿为马在悉尼周日游行组织者之一的Mark指导下,记者登录Youtube网站,通过搜索关键词“Tibet”,找到那段引起广泛关注的视频,标题为“…

    看了二十七号外交部例行记者招待会的文字记录,大部分的问题都是围绕着西藏,台湾的,问题中充满了怀疑、偏见质问和陷阱,盛气凌人的感觉,根本就看不出对这个国家最起码的尊重和信任,唯恐天下不乱。秦刚还努力的解释着。妈个逼的,这就是所谓的记者的本职吗,就是一群没有带狗链的狗。秦刚说话太客气,应该直接在嘴里酝酿一口粘痰,哪个在汪汪叫,就一口吐到他脸上…
    http://military.club.china.com/data/thread/1011/148/41/52/5_1.html

    秦刚的话浸透着中国人的愤怒
    http://military.club.china.com/data/thread/1011/148/41/52/5_1.html

  33. Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed?

    In the infamous anti-communism roars in 1950s in post World War II US when McCarthyism is at its summit, Joseph R. McCarthy, Junior Senator from Wisconsin once quoted Shakespeare’s Cassius: “Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed? (that he is grown so great)" in his attack on Army Secretary Stevens for his alleged protection of the alleged wide spread of communism in the army. Anyone who is aware of that part of US history would know how much fear and destruction McCarthyism had brought to American citizens and America as a nation. Fortunately enough that dark era is also a time that has many journalists such as Edward R. Murrow (CBS), who many considered as one of journalism’s greatest figures.

    In a series of TV news reports that helped lead to the censure of Senator McCarthy, Murrow once asked: “And upon what meat doth Senator McCarthy feed? Two of the staples of his diet are the investigation, protected by immunity, and the half-truth", pointing out the typical tactics McCarthy had been using, that accusation was often used as proof and that conviction of the accused was often based upon evidence without named witness and without due process of law.

    As Murrow pointed out ever so clearly in the series of news report that whether particular accusations made by McCarthy is true or not (many are not) is of no importance but rather, as Truman put it, “it is the corruption of truth, the abandonment of the due process law. It is the use of the big lie and the unfounded accusation against any citizen in the name of Americanism or security. It is the rise to power of the demagogue who lives on untruth; it is the spreading of fear and the destruction of faith in every level of society".

    In any journalism text book, I would assume that any reporter from CNN, Washington Post and BBC can quote better than I do, “To be persuasive, we must be believable; to be believable, we must be credible; to be credible, we must be truthful". After all, they are the new generation of journalists that are inspired by the footsteps of Murrow, Cronkite, Woodward and Bernstein. Or, are they?

    In this recent events of violence broke out in Tibet, flood of reports, pictures, and videos were brought to all over the world. Many accusations were made along with many editorial comments, but few facts were presented objectively, and even less truth has been published by major media such as CNN, Washington Post, and BBC. It is neither my intention nor is it within my capacity to present the world what truly have happened in Tibet or to defend Chinese government, after all this is the time of information, many of us who want unbiased news report would be able to go through our own sources over the internet and see many sides of the stories as they are. It is my intention however, to point out that McCarthyism has, and still is corrupting the so called truth reported by most major media on anything that is related in anyway to communism. China as one of the only major power that is considered communism, certainly is and will always remain as the center piece.

    In one of the most famous photos that were first published by CNN, two Chinese military trucks drove through a deserted street in Lhasa while two Tibetan civilians wondered in far distance apparently in panic and in fear. Later several larger photos surfaced over the internet and it is obvious that the CNN photo was cropped carefully from one of them. What the CNN photo did not reveal, is that there was a mob of Tibetan rioters, throwing rocks to the cars and stores and setting some on fire. Why CNN chose to crop the picture in such way that is vastly different from the truth is certainly worth wondering, but not for us to find out. CNN’s official reply is that is due to the format limitation on the photos. Well, I will leave that for the reader themselves to judge its truthfulness.

    In another photo published on Washington Post’s website, several uniformed policemen armed with sticks were beating some appeared to be Tibetan protestors. The caption for the picture reads “China’s government is cracking down Tibetan protestors who took the streets to protest Chinese rule of the province". Later it was some careful readers who questioned the policemen’s uniform discovered that the photo was originally published on a Nepal newspaper on police cracking down Tibetan protestors in Nepal.

    Once Murrow said, “We, like everyone in this business, are going to be judged by what we put on the air; but we also shall be judged by what we don’t broadcast. If we pull back on this we’ll have it with us always." Now, why CNN and Washington Post choose to reduce themselves to a low level that is unprecedented to the mainstream journalism? Again, I will use Murrow’s words to answer that.

    Earlier, the senator asked, “Upon what meat does this, our Caesar feed?" Had he looked three lines earlier in Shakespeare’s ‘Caesar,’ he would have found this line, which is not altogether inappropriate: “The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves."

    Yes, all of us, as little as we may realize it, McCarthyism is still among us. We fear communism, not for its ideas but for the part that it is so vastly different from ours, that anyone or any nation that is associated with it must be evil and hence must be treated as one. The reporters at CNN and Washington Post did not created all this, they merely exploited it – and rather successfully as they always have been. No one man can bias a whole nation and whole world unless we are all his accomplices. Cassius was right. The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves.

    Once Murrow said, “We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home". There could not be more trueth to that. Equally if not more importantly, we can not proclaim ourselves the defenders of freedom, in one place in the world while deserting it elsewhere. Unfortunately today, in the new era beyond the years of Murrow, Cronkite, Woodward and Bernstein, the journalists in CNN, Washington Post, etc, have shown us just that.

  34. Liberty:

    • autonomy: immunity from arbitrary exercise of authority: political independence

    • freedom of choice; “liberty of opinion"; “liberty of worship"; “liberty–perfect liberty–to think or feel or do just as one pleases"; “at liberty to choose whatever occupation one wishes"

    • personal freedom from servitude or confinement or oppression

  35. 【拿經費的﹐要為老闆說話,維持書店“經營”也難怪】

    單單打打,做謠污衊,含血噴人,拿甚麼經費?拿證據出來!

  36. Folks, I support to positively criticize Chinese government for the betterment , but we also need to abide by the truth. Please understand that propaganda was not invented by Communism

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_America
    Voice of America (VOA), is the official external radio and television broadcasting service of the United States federal government.

    Under United States law (Section 501 of the Smith-Mundt Act of 1948), the Voice of America is forbidden to broadcast directly to American citizens. The original intent of this section of the legislation was to protect the American public from propaganda actions by its own government.

    In 1947, Voice of America started broadcasting in Russian with the intent to counter more harmful instances of Soviet propaganda directed against American leaders and policies. Soviet Union responded by initiating aggressive, electronic jamming of VoA broadcasts on 24 April 1949.

    The Arabic service resumed on January 1, 1950, with a half-hour program. This program grew to 14.5 hours daily during the Suez Crisis of 1956, and was 6 hours a day by 1958.

  37. 華裔網民投訴CTV星報誤導
    報道拉薩騷亂主辦奧運調查失誤

    【明報溫哥華專訊】繼國際媒體就西藏騷亂出現一連串實失實偏頗報道後,加拿大的CTV與多倫多星報最近在處理相關報道時,也被發現出現「張冠李戴」的誤導、甚至有誤導的情況,引起不少加國華裔的不滿,抵制抗議之聲不絕,他們並在網上發起抗議活動。

    失誤之一,為中國駐加拿大大使盧樹民在24日接受CTV節目主持人Mike Duffy訪問,談到西藏騷亂與及抵制奧運等問題。訪問期間,CTV突然在旁邊加插了尼泊爾警察暴力拘捕藏獨示威者的片段,片中尼泊爾警察對示威者先是推撞,然後強行拉上貨車,又對示威者拳打腳踢,片段並沒有註明那些是尼泊爾警察。

    此一處理新聞方法立即在網上引起熱烈討論,不少華裔網民指CTV沒有說明打人者是尼泊爾警員,又不說事件發生在尼泊爾,卻將片段放在屏幕上盧樹民的「大頭」旁邊,很容易令人誤以為是中國公安對西藏示威者拳打腳踢。

    世界各地網民先前已經揭露西方媒體類似的不實與偏頗報道,其中便包括採用印度及尼泊爾警方毆打西藏示威者的照片或是視頻,卻說成是中國公安。想不到同一事情在加拿大再次出現。之前網民們的抗議,已令到美國CNN電視要出來解釋,以及德國一家媒體需要道歉。

    溫哥華的葉峰認為CTV這一做法是「含沙射影」,給人以「中國軍方武力鎮壓和平示威者的錯覺。」

    他就此事曾經電郵Mike Duffy抗議。葉峰昨日透露,收到Mike Duffy電郵回覆,說此一事例證明,正確標明片段來源十分重要,並希望葉峰繼續捧場云云。但葉峰對此回覆並不滿意。因為此事,多個網上論壇已經出現了抗議的呼聲,網上已經流傳了數個版本的抗議信,以及Mike Duffy的電郵地址,讓網民電郵抗議。

    另一方面,在安省,多倫多星報(Toronto Star)在24日曾進行網上投票,詢問網民「中國是否主辦奧運會的理想國家?」但網民發現,網上的投票結果明明顯示:76%說「是」,23%說「不是」。怎料該報刊登出來的結果竟然完全相反,說「是」的只有17%,「不是」的有82%。有關報道昨日在網上引起華裔網民連番聲討與砲轟。

    有網民稱曾接觸多倫多星報,得到的回覆是,刊登的結果在下午5時取樣,但晚上卻有出乎意外的人數上網投票,將下午的結果完全推翻。但不少人對這解釋並不滿意,建議發起抵制及向媒體操守機關投訴。

  38. If Chinese government cover up I criticize, if other government or media have wrong, false, or pretentious coverage, I criticize. I write a lot to newspapers, radios, to correct them, this is civilian monitor at work.
    明報2008年3月29日
    http://www.mingpaotor.com/htm/News/20080329/tab1.htm
    華裔網民投訴CTV星報誤導報道拉薩騷亂主辦奧運調查失誤
    失誤之一,為中國駐加拿大大使盧樹民在24日接受CTV節目主持人Mike Duffy訪問,談到西藏騷亂與及抵制奧運等問題。訪問期間,CTV突然在旁邊加插了尼泊爾警察暴力拘捕藏獨示威者的片段,片中尼泊爾警察對示威者先是推撞,然後強行拉上貨車,又對示威者拳打腳踢,片段並沒有註明那些是尼泊爾警察。
    之前網民們的抗議,已令到美國CNN電視要出來解釋,以及德國一家媒體需要道歉。
    在安省,多倫多星報(Toronto Star)在24日曾進行網上投票,詢問網民「中國是否主辦奧運會的理想國家?」但網民發現,網上的投票結果明明顯示:76%說「是」,23%說「不是」。怎料該報刊登出來的結果竟然完全相反,說「是」的只有17%,「不是」的有82%。有關報道昨日在網上引起華裔網民連番聲討與砲轟。

  39. 闖尼泊爾聯國辦事處 60藏獨示威者被捕
    http://www.mingpaotor.com/htm/News/20080329/tab3.htm
    …中國駐外使領館頻遭衝擊,中國駐三藩市總領館簽證處日前遭縱火
    …中國駐奧地利大使館日前亦遭藏獨人士闖入,破壞使館設施。
    …據美聯社報道,昨日在加德滿都的聯合國辦事處外抗議的西藏流亡人士,有18人衝入辦事處內,他們揮舞藏獨旗幟和示威標語,有60名示威者被捕。

    Dalai Lama may have trouble uniting the foreign Tibet folks in doing peaceful demonstrations. There are obviously groups of Tibet folks have different agenda than Dalai, assuming Dalai is not the one behind all the non-peace actions.
    Food for thought:
    [1] If Dalai is not behind all these non-peace actions, what good will it bring to let Dalai back to Tibet? More non-peace actions within Tibet?
    [2] If Dalai is, sadly, behind all these, he should not be allowed to go back to Tibet.
    Either way, if Dalai cannot instill peace to Tibet demonstrators, especially the foreign Tibetans, do not expect he can bring peace to Tibet.
    Someone may have wanted to light a spark, but now becomes a wild fire.

  40. 多倫多聲討藏獨大游行遭恐怖威脅
    2008年3月28日14:33:51

    最近一直在忙多倫多華人集~會反對暴力,擁護祖國統一的事. 原定3.22舉行, 由于政府審批原因推遲到3.29.由于本地流~亡藏人于3.23(我們怀疑是針對我們原定3.22的活動) 。

    我目前在組織者中主要負責新聞發布,以及演講稿的撰寫等.3.24召開了針對本地中文媒體的新聞發布會,之后又接受了一些英文媒體,包括多倫多所有主流報紙的采訪,以及CBC電台的現場1小時專訪等.總之一句話,盡量把我們這次活動的影響擴大,來的人越多越好.据我們了解,這次活動是在全球范圍內,很多年來海外華人第一次大規模自發集~會.本來英國倫敦有人在我們之前就試圖組織類似活動,但是遭到當地某些團體的恐嚇和被迫取消.3.29我們第一撥,3.30澳大利亞的悉尼和墨爾本在策划兩地同時游~行,与我們呼應. 另外法國也有華人試圖組織,這些地方的組織者也都已經和我們取得了聯系.說真的,太難了.加拿大政府明面上給我們自由,實際上設暗卡.簡單例子,3.23藏人申請游~行,政府馬上就批了.而我們申請,政府以市中心交通繁忙為由拒絕我們的申請,只好改游~行為集~會.其他各种各樣的事情就一言難盡了。

    實話實說,我們這次的組織方也接到了不明身份人士的電話恐嚇,說要在活動當天在現場放炸彈什么的. 我們內部經過討論決定,由于英國方面的活動已經被迫取消了,現在我們 是全球華人第一批,公告已經打出去了,全世界的華人反響也很強烈.如果我們被恐嚇取消,那么造成影響太坏,所以硬著頭皮上了,估計恐嚇也就是恐嚇而已,他們不會真在西方
    搞出這种事情來,畢竟藏人在西方還要裝可怜裝和平以搏取白人同情呢. 万一有什么事,俺就和你們永別了~ 到時候給俺的ID上加上一條哈達我就滿意了.呵呵。

    太累了.在公司請了一周的假專門做這個事.看到各种各樣的支持,也很感動.前天有個96歲的老大媽,給我們打電話,就為了關照我們要注意吃飯,多休息.3.22日的活動推遲,有的人不知道,跑到活動地點干等了2個多小時,其中還有70多歲的老大爺.我們內部說,就為了這些人,我們豁出去冒一次炸彈威脅的風險了.

  41. Is the western media biased against China?
    http://worldhaveyoursay.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/is-the-western-media-biased-against-china/

    One thing for sure is the biggest propaganda’ed lie in 21th century is Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction, and turns out USA herself is, and the US invasion is still on-going, 400+ Iraqi civilians casualty EVERYDAY. What have the unbiased Western media done to this? They like this drama so much coz it increases readership, more $, they become part of the propaganda. No one ever mention to do any boycott to USA, why?
    Tibet is part of China longtime ago, to put control to Tibet in 1950 was not invasion, was a Government’s responsibility. Just like RCMP march to the west in 1874.

  42. 李柱銘急流勇退, 是好事.

  43. 如果要用拿經費去維持書店“經營”,即是虧本,難道虧本都要用所謂"經費"去做下去,係儍嘅都會執咗書店,拿"經費"日日去飲茶嘆世界好過,唔通同自在有仇呀!都唔知係乜嘢邏輯?正如蓮姐所講"做謠污衊,含血噴人,拿甚麼經費?拿證據出來!"

  44. 宣傳西藏真相, 維護祖國統一

    多倫多華人和平集會活動

    活動時間: 3月29日 周六 下午1點 - 4點
    活動地點: Dundas 廣場(Dundas & Yonge)
    活動宗旨: 和平示威,宣傳西藏真相,維護祖國統一.

    官方論壇: http://forum.309area.com/(最新活動消息和更新,請訪問官方論壇,以确保得到最新的正确消息)

    活動性質: 由留學生自發組織,面向整個華人群體的愛國活動.以歌唱祖國,集會,宣傳為主要方法.
    預計活動人數: 300(自愿參加,人數未經詳細統計)

    報名方式: 當天自行集合
    標語旗幟:

    1. We are 56 Ethnics, ONE China / ONE family
    2. Listen to our voice
    3. Do you know a TRUE Tibet
    4. Say NO to RIOTS
    5. We want our home in ONE piece
    6. We are Chinese, we are family

    1. 56個兄弟,一個中國
    2. 傾听我們的聲音, 了解真實的西藏
    3. 反對暴力,反對打砸搶燒
    4. 我們要一個完整的家
    5. 西藏現在其實很好
    6. 宣傳西藏真相,維護祖國統一

    為防止惡意破坏和平集會, 活動當天會統一免費發放國旗,標語,橫幅,傳單等宣傳物品. 如自帶旗幟,只允許中國和加拿大國旗.自己制作的標語等只能用以上統一文字,并且親自上官方論壇查詢可使用的標語,以免被欺騙或誤導使用未經許可的標語,任
    何人不得私自更改標語.一經發現,立即開除參加資格.

    媒體,公司,企業,團體等支持請聯系: zh44536062@yahoo.ca 電話416-880-9345

    呼吁:
    這次活動,旨在和平宣傳西藏真相,維護祖國統一. 我們要用和平,合法并且鄭重的方式,來宣傳祖國的領土,神圣不可侵犯.雖然我們身在海外,但仍然嚴歷譴責騷亂分子的罪惡行徑, 用我們自己的方式, 為祖國和平做出一份貢獻.組委會在這里呼吁大家
    , 請把這次活動傳達給你身邊的朋友, 我們需要大家的支持和努力.我們應該團結一致, 共同向世界證明, 中國的國旗, 不是可以任人踐踏的, 中國的人民, 不是可以任人侮辱的, 中國的民族尊嚴和領土完整, 是絕對不允許別人侵犯的!

  45. 奧巴馬要美國 change.

    台灣已經 changed.

    香港民主黨也要 change 了.

  46. ….Yellow! A crude racist collectivism of a specifically anti-Asian character has long been a tradition of the War Party in this country…..

    Well, you have to hate someone…
    by Justin Raimondo
    China’s continuing crackdown on Tibetan pro-independence protesters is a big, big issue here in San Francisco. Why, just the other day, I was coming out my front door, and there was one of my neighbors – a very nice woman in her fifties, albeit an archetypal limousine liberal, typical of the breed. So typical that she might almost be mistaken for a living, breathing, walking, talking cliché. She hates George W. Bush and the neocons because she’s against the (Iraq) war, but she’s eager to “liberate" Darfur – and, lately, Tibet. That morning, as she earnestly informed me, she was on her way to a meeting of the Board of Supervisors (our town council) to exhort them to vote for a resolution condemning the Chinese government’s actions and calling for “freedom" for Tibet. What she doesn’t realize, and doesn’t want to know, is that she and the neocons – the very ones who brought us the Iraq war – are united on the Tibet issue. I tried, in vain, to point this out to her, but she just shook her head, cut the conversation short, and was on her way…
    As it turned out, the supervisors voted for a meaningless, toothless resolution, stripped of provocative rhetoric, much to the dismay of the far-lefties who argued for a stronger statement. The initiative for this effort was made by supervisor Chris Daly, an obnoxious left-liberal with delusions of grandeur, whose pose of self-righteousness is both grating and characteristic of his sort.

    Prior to the vote on the Daly resolution, which was vociferously supported by the supposedly pacifistic supporters of the Dalai Lama, the Chinese consulate was… firebombed. This is what the War Party would like to do to China.

    Fortunately, there are a number of restraining factors that get in the way: in the meantime, however, our preening politicians demagogue the China issue, and none so brazenly as Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, my congressional representative, who is merely Chris Daly writ large. Traveling all the way to India, at taxpayers’ expense, Madam Speaker visited with the Dalai Lama at Dharamsala and announced that if Americans don’t speak out against Beijing’s repression in Tibet “we have lost all moral authority to speak on behalf of human rights anywhere in the world."

    Pelosi is a longtime opponent of Beijing – not just the Chinese government, but China itself. Pelosi and the unions she depends on for political support despise all things Chinese for the simple reason that China, today, is more capitalist than the U.S. – in spite of the Chinese Communist Party’s ostensible commitment to Marxist ideology. Thinly veiled racist-chauvinist bilge is routinely directed at the Chinese people by union bosses and right-wing paleo-protectionists, who stupidly claim that the “s" (or, as John McCain would put it, the “gooks") are stealing “American jobs" – as if Americans have a hereditary right to the very best salaries on earth, a “right" that doesn’t have to be earned by competitive business practices but is conferred on them by virtue of their nationality. Like hell it is.

    Lucrative trade and cultural exchanges between China and California, as well as the fact that many Chinese in her congressional district have continuing ties to the mainland, have – so far – failed to deter Pelosi and her fellow Know-Nothings: politics, as they used to say during the Cultural Revolution in China, is in command.

    These Sinophobic protests, engineered behind the scenes by leftist union bosses and God knows who else, are focused on the passing of the Olympic torch, which is slowly but surely making its way to Beijing, where the games are scheduled to be held Aug. 8-24. Here in the Bay Area, activists in the “Free Darfur" movement announced they were mounting demonstrations urging China to “extinguish the flames of genocide" in Darfur in San Francisco on April 9, the day the flame passes through the city.

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    The hosting of the Olympic Games in Beijing is the focus of much pride in China, seen by the people as well as the ruling caste as symbolic of the nation’s arrival in modernity. As such, the worldwide protests and political posturing of preening politicians – from Pelosi to Nicolas Sarkozy – are bitterly resented and have been met with increasingly shrill denunciations by the Chinese state-controlled media – a sentiment that probably understates popular resentment of Western criticism in the Chinese “street."

    I know we are supposed to believe that the vast majority of the Chinese people are groaning under the weight of Commie oppression and sympathize (albeit silently) with the downtrodden Tibetans, but that is hardly the case. Indeed, the exact opposite is closer to the truth. Every time the West gets up on its high horse and lectures the Chinese government about its lack of “morality," the tide of anti-Western Chinese nationalism rises higher.

    We saw this when the U.S. “accidentally" bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade during Clinton’s Balkan War of Aggression, and again when that American spy plane went down over Hainan island. In Beijing today, they are worried about the upcoming Olympic celebration, which will provide a platform for a wide variety of groups – including ultra-nationalist Chinese students, whose street antics have augured internal regime change in the past, and could do so again. “They are worried about a larger number of things and they are worried about keeping the lid on," according to Arnold Howitt, a management specialist who oversees crisis-management training programs for Chinese government officials at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government. The same Associated Press article cites an unnamed “consultant" to the Games, who avers:

    “‘Demonstrations of all kinds are a concern, including anti-American demonstrations,’ said the consultant, who works for Beijing’s Olympic organizers and asked not to be identified because he was not authorized to talk to the media."

    Any indications that Beijing is compromising Chinese pride and honor by appeasing the West are likely to be met by demonstrations that are both anti-American and anti-government – initiated, once again, by Chinese students, who have often been the agents of political transformation. Remember the Red Guards? Mao used them to initiate his own “Cultural Revolution," but was forced to rein them in when they started talking about overthrowing the Chinese state.

    The memory of that dark and chaotic era haunts China’s contemporary rulers, threatening to spoil their dream of a thoroughly modernized industrial powerhouse that is both the forge and the financial capital of the world economy. The Beijing Olympics represent the entry of China onto the world stage as a first-class power, right up there with its former adversaries: the U.S., Europe, and the former Soviet Union. A Chinese nationalist cannot be faulted for seeing the organized campaign to spoil that debut as a deliberate – and unforgivable – insult.

    Viewed from this perspective – the perspective, that is, of the average citizen of China – the very idea of Tibetan independence might easily be seen as a rather obvious attempt to humiliate Beijing and remind it of its “proper" (i.e., subordinate) place in the global scheme of things.

    After all, what if Chinese government leaders constantly reminded the world that the American Southwest was stolen from Mexico? Imagine the Chinese and Mexican ambassadors to the U.S. demanding independence, for, say, California – or better yet, its return to Mexican sovereignty! Shall the Olympics be forever barred from Puerto Rico, which was forcibly incorporated into the U.S. “commonwealth" in the invasion of 1898?

    Of course not. Yet the Americans and their international amen corner are daring to criticize China for preserving its own unity and sovereignty. It’s a double standard made all the more insufferable by the self-righteous tone of the anti-China chorus, whose meistersingers are mainly concerned with celebrating their own moral purity.

    Yes, Tibet was forcibly incorporated into the Communist empire of the Han, but this was just an episode in the long history of Sino-Tibetan relations – for the greater part of which the Tibetans held the upper hand. The Tibetan empire, at its height, extended from northern India to the Mongolian hinterlands and came at the expense of the conquered Chinese and Uighurs. It fell apart due to a ruinous civil war. A key factor in this complex narrative is that Mongol hegemony over China was greatly aided by the Tibetans, whose conversion of the Mongol nobility to Buddhism legitimized Mongol rule. Today, pro-Beijing historians point to this period as proof that Tibet has “always" been a part of China proper, yet the truth is that both were slaves to the Mongols – the Tibetans as their collaborators, the Chinese as their helots. (Underscoring Mongol contempt for their Chinese subjects was an edict forbidding intermarriage between Mongol and Chinese, although no such barrier to Mongol-Tibetan congress was imposed.) With Buddhism as the state religion, Tibetan priests, including the Dalai Lama, became the avatars of Mongol rule.

    In short, the popular narrative of the pacifistic Buddhist Tibetans as the good guys and the Han Chinese as the bad-guy aggressors is the stuff of pure myth, pushed by union propagandists, lefty Hollywood do-gooders, and trendy sandal-wearing Western camp followers of the Dalai Lama, who has become a secularized yet “spiritual" substitute for Mother Theresa.

    If the Chinese are wrong to hold on to their province of Tibet, then Lincoln was wrong to insist that the South stay in the Union – and we ought to immediately either grant the American Southwest (and California) independence, or else give it all back to the Mexicans.

    The same goes for Taiwan – China’s rulers are no more likely to give up their claim to that island than Lincoln was inclined to let the Confederacy hold on in, say, Key West, Fla.

    China is an adolescent giant: clumsy, unused to exerting its will beyond its borders, and wracked by self-doubt. Emerging into the company of world powers, it is thin-skinned – like any adolescent – and prone to wild mood gyrations. During the 1960s and ’70s, the Chinese were in a distinctly bad mood as they wrestled with the ghosts and demons unleashed by Mao. The triumph of the “modernizers" over the ultra-left Maoists in the 1980s signaled a new mood of optimism and inaugurated an era of unrivaled economic growth. The regime sanctified China’s journey down the “capitalist road" by citing the reformer Deng Tsiao-ping’s most famous “Communist" slogan: “To get rich is glorious!" Ayn Rand meets Chairman Mao (or, rather, Confucius) – and the result is capitalism-on-steroids.

    That’s why, in spite of the sclerotic Marxoid ideology that still reins in and retards the natural entrepreneurial spirit of the Chinese people, China is moving forward by leaps and bounds. That’s also why comrade Pelosi and her union boss buddies have launched this odious Sinophobic hate campaign – because “their" jobs and sense of entitlement are going up in smoke. For decades, the U.S. government has preached the virtues of free enterprise and urged formerly Communist nations to adopt the free market – and now that the Chinese have taken them up on their offer, Western politicians are attacking them!

    The closer China has moved toward our own system – relaxing totalitarian controls over the economy and allowing a far greater degree of ideological diversity than was possible during the Maoist era – the more hostile the U.S. government has become. Nixon went to China at the height of the Cultural Revolution, where he sat next to Madam Mao during a command performance of The Red Detachment of Women. These days, however, as China stakes its claim to a proportionate share of the world market – and Chinese investors fund the U.S. debt – the resentment and growing hostility of the Americans is all too palpable.

    Why do politicians of Pelosi’s ilk join hands with neoconservatives in a concerted campaign to antagonize China, and even threaten sanctions and possible military action when the occasion gives rise to the opportunity?

    To begin with, China’s is a success story, and there’s nothing that attracts opprobrium like success, unless it’s success of the wrong color – in this case, yellow. A crude racist collectivism of a specifically anti-Asian character has long been a tradition of the War Party in this country: see the anti-Japanese Dr. Seuss cartoons from the World War II era for a particularly vivid example. Yes, he was attacking the “Japs," but to Americans, it’s all the same Yellow Peril. This kind of sentiment is easily invoked in America, and don’t tell me Pelosi and her ideological confreres aren’t aware of it – yes, even in “liberal" San Francisco, where anti-Asian sentiment is part of the city’s history.

    Never mind the first black president, or the first female president – what I’m waiting for is the first chief executive of Asian-American descent. I’m not, however, holding my breath…

    Relations with China are cloudy, at best, and those may very well be war clouds gathering on the horizon. The reason is that Sinophobia is a point of unity between the Left and the Right: the union of the Weekly Standard and the AFL-CIO, and perhaps even the majority of my paleoconservative friends, who quail before the rising Chinese giant and see it as a potential threat on account of its sheer scale – a third of the world’s population, and a land-mass that rivals our own. Surely such a stirring titan will knock us out of the way as he takes his place at the center of the world stage.

    This reflects a fundamental error on the part of many conservatives, as well as liberals of the more statist persuasion. They fail to understand that there are no conflicts of interest among nations as long as their relations are governed by the market, that is by mutually beneficial trade agreements voluntarily entered into. Ludwig von Mises said it far better than I could ever manage, and I’ll leave my readers to Mises’ ministrations on this abstruse but important subject.

    Suffice to say here that our relations with China on the economic front are a benefit to American consumers – that is, to all of us. They enable us to buy inexpensive quality products and keep the cost of living down. Protectionists who argue that “they" are “destroying American jobs" are simply arguing for higher prices – ordinarily not a very popular cause, and especially not these days.

    Free trade is the economic precondition for a peaceful world and the logical corollary of a non-interventionist foreign policy. If goods don’t cross borders, then armies soon will – a historical truism noted by many before me, and with good reason. Let it be a warning to all those anti-free trade, antiwar types of the Right as well as the Left – you’ll soon be jumping on the War Party’s bandwagon when it comes China’s turn to play the role of global bogeyman. The way things are going, that day may come soon enough.

    Finally, a word or two about this nonsensical demand, raised by the “Save Darfur" crowd, that China must somehow “extinguish the flames of genocide" supposedly carried out by the government of Sudan. What does China have to do with Sudan and its government? Well, you see, the Chinese have oil interests in the region, that is, they are engaged in competition with Western oil companies in opening up new fields – and, well, that just isn’t permissible.

    The Chinese, we are told, have a moral responsibility to either pressure the Sudanese to let up on Darfur, or else abandon their Sudanese assets. As if Sudan were a Chinese colony, and the Sudanese authorities mere sock-puppets of Beijing.

    A more arrogant and self-serving argument would be hard to imagine. Presumably Western interests will fill the vacuum left by this spontaneous display of Chinese moral rectitude – and that alone should tell us everything we need to know about what’s behind the “Save Darfur" bloviators and their high-horse moralizing.

    If our professional do-gooders of the “progressive" persuasion are so concerned about the fate of Darfur, let them campaign for the granting of mass asylum to the survivors of this latest African catastrophe. Give them sanctuary and green cards, but keep U.S. troops out of Africa, specifically out of Darfur – and get off Beijing’s back.

    Like Russia, China is awakening from the long Leninist nightmare, albeit less traumatically, and with greater prospects for full recovery. However, it wouldn’t take much to push it back into a revival of neo-Maoism – or worse – and a new dark age triggered by an external threat. A resurgence of Chinese ultra-nationalism in response to Western pressure – and the specter of U.S.-sponsored separatism – does not augur well for the cause of world peace. As is so often the case, we are creating the very enemies we fear, empowering and arming them ideologically. We are, in this sense, our own worst enemies.

    ~ Justin Raimondo

  47. Justin Raimondo is a politician, very famous for anti-war, so much that he & his friend set up the Antiwar.com long time ago. This world needs more folks like him.

  48. If you have watched 3/27 TVB news about the monks in Jokhang Temple, the TVB lady reporter clearly said that the Chinese Officials who lead the reporters there DID NOT stop the monks’ outburst, and HAD NOT rushed the reporters away, when asked by the reporters if the monks’ sayings were true, the Chinese Officials said the later news conference will be the place to ask such questions.
    Now Toronto Star seems to have its own version:
    http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/404808
    “…Government handlers shouted for the journalists to leave and tried to pull them away during the protest…"

    I think China may be going on the upward path for betterment, whereas the Western may be on the decline, so much that even the media are showing lacking confidence to report the truth, but resorted to falsificated news to dramatized the news to attack those readers who they think are likewise never can get over with the East is on the rise, whereas the West is on the decline mindset.

  49. [明報專訊]

    民主黨李柱銘退出議會的決定,原來緣於與獨子李祖詒的一席父子對話。「兩個月前,阿仔有一晚好嚴肅地跟我傾,勸我不要選。」李柱銘昨日在電台節目中,透露促使他認真考慮淡出的契機。「做老竇,不聽阿仔話,不是好老竇。」李柱銘表示,兒子點出了其見解理念,現在可能已未必獲市民接受,促使他決定淡出議會,換個角度再推動民主運動的 發展。

    李柱銘於昨日電台節目中透露了其「眼鏡思考論」。李柱銘說,過往幾十年配眼鏡時,他都自己親自去選去試戴,直至數年前某一天,妻子及他的外籍女助手表示,要替他決定新的眼鏡款式。李柱銘表示,那刻想通了,不應單從自己的角度看,也應該從其他人的角度看,究竟自己「是否不合潮流」。

  50. 好!中國留學生示威就是好!今天同學們親身體驗表達自由方式,資本主義社會原來是可以透過示威來宣示一些人不同意見,加拿大的警察叔叔不單沒有向你們放催淚彈,沒有用警棍把你們打到頭破血流,還替你們維持秩序,使示威得以順利完成。對比你們的祖國,前些時候在西藏發生的事件,西藏人民只不過做與你們相同的事,上街宣示不同意見,結果招致武力鎮壓,死傷無數,大家有目共睹,正正就是同學們要示威的原因。
    同學們快點把今天在加拿大發生的事情告訴在國內的親朋好友,叫他們在當地也嘗試做你們今天的事情,試試中國政府的反應如何,大家就明白民主與獨裁的分別了。

  51. 姣婆蓮:
    你真係我偶像! 嬉笑怒罵得來又句句到肉! 唔會長篇大論遊花園, 又唔會扮斯文, 扮大方! 又唔會聊人逐句解解到天腳底! 真係好鍾意睇到你用輊鬆語調,但又值得令人深思的留言, 多謝哂! 如今天真的在街上講野既無彩色肯深思你的說話就好了!

  52. 廢柴唔單止討論舊聞, 甚至用嘉賓的舊銜頭. 好似週五晚的電視節目, 他們稱古老凱為"前猩倒總編輯"而不是"A瘟時事節目主持". 神神秘秘, 避避忌忌, 佢哋仲唔喺有路! 相反, 廢柴明目將膽將千年雪藏的廣告及舊DJ解凍. 等你班友睇慣聽慣佢哋一齊. 第日資源大兜亂你哋就見慣不怪了.

  53. Please, no more academic articles, i don’t have the patience and knowledge to read those things……..just give me a soap opera….

  54. 點解的番鬼佬是都要造謠縱傷你地的中國人﹑華人啊﹖就是因為你地是黃皮膚﹐人地是亞利安人﹐高等的架﹐明味﹖

    你地又無文化﹐又矮又丑﹐同亞利安人打工擦鞋就得﹐起高樓大廈辦奧運會同白人平起平坐就檢的啦﹗

  55. Kahoo Fan君:

    1. 嬉笑怒罵只是一種表達形式. 最重要的還是評論的內容.

    2. 當然, 在留言區留言, 不是寫論文, 嚴謹程度可以寛鬆. 不過, 在重要的關節上, 也不能輕輕帶過, 令人有蒙混過去之嫌.

    3. 就以蓮姐最新一篇留言為例. :[前些時候在西藏發生的事件,西藏人民只不過做與你們相同的事,上街宣示不同意見,結果招致武力鎮壓,死傷無數,大家有目共睹].
    甲. 在最近西藏發生的暴力事件, 起因真的是藏民的和平示威和西藏/中共政府進行了鎮壓嗎?
    乙. 在今次的事件中, 西藏/中共政府真的有進行武力鎮壓嗎?
    不要人云亦云, [拿出證據來]! – 即使曾舉行和平示威, 也不表示其後發生的暴力事件是由此演變而來. 在事件中有死傷, 也不表示一定曾作武力鎮壓.

    4. 作為一個愛好和維護民主與自由, 尊重人權和反對獨裁專橫政權的人士, 對事情的判斷是否應基於事實, 而不是成見和[想當然].看在這留言區一些健筆說什麼:
    甲. [你信又好唔信又好,唔洗同我講喇,不過你憑正常邏輯諗下都知,班人做咩無端端自己突然間約埋爆出黎就周圍發癲放火打人?唔係比D警察一黎就粗暴打壓,會搞成咁?] 這世界沒有趁火打劫的暴徒存在的可能性嗎?
    乙. [如果你要證據嘅話,我對老共嘅認識就係證據!我歷來對老共嘅認識就係]

    用[諗下]去理解一件事件, 是否我輩自認開明, 愛護人權民主自由應有的態度, 那與我們口誅筆伐的思想僵化的盲目挺共者有什麽分別?

    5. 選擇性地接受資訉是另一問題所在. 有網友看到一些對西藏/中共政府有利的資訉, 便一口咬定是偽造的, 像回應說 [班蛋散幾專業噃,唔似普通料喎,不過對於我黎講,呢D野全部都係癈料,慳D駛喇。]不錯, 中共和其宣傳機器以至盲目死硬支持者, 弄虛作假, 時有所見所聞. 我們對他們提供的資料, 有所保留, 亦是合情合理(誰叫他們誠信紀錄不佳), 但從一開始便完全抗拒/否定是否恰當呢?

    6. 西方傳媒有沒有報導失實呢? 肯定是有. 是無心之失或是故意則視立場不同而見解各異. 就這次西藏事作, 有人(當然是愛國(共)人士)搜集了不少西方傳媒失實的報導, 那些只相信西方傳媒的網友(我們喜愛的蓮姐也是其中一位), 是否在接收事關重大的資訉時也應更小心, 多方求證, 才確定應相信那一篇報導呢?

  56. It is funny these days, seems pro-Chinese government folks are more open minded than those screaming for freedom, including the freedom-defending-truth-promoting Western media:
    反藏獨集會 Global報道失實 西方媒體一再出現誤導
    播尼泊爾鎮壓片段指為拉薩鎮壓
    http://www.mingpaotor.com/htm/News/20080330/taa1.htm

    姣婆蓮 // March 29, 2008 at 9:28 pm
    Kahoo Fan // March 29, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Your guessing is not a good way to promote democracy, please learn from 李柱銘
    http://www.mingpaotor.com/htm/News/20080330/HK-gaa2.htm
    “李柱銘於節目中透露了其「眼鏡思考論」。李柱銘說,過往幾十年配眼鏡時,他都自己親自去選去試戴,直至數年前某一天,妻子及他的外籍女助手表示,要替他決定新的眼鏡款式。李柱銘表示,那刻想通了,不應單從自己的角度看,也應該從其他人的角度看,究竟自己「是否不合潮流」。"

    “放催淚彈…打到頭破血流"? check these:
    拉薩首日衝突 遊客﹕武警未干預
    http://www.mingpaotor.com/htm/News/20080330/tcaa2.htm
    As Tibet Erupted, China Security Forces Wavered
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/world/asia/24tibet.html?st=cse&sq=lhasa&scp=3
    “The whole day I didn’t see a single police officer or soldier,” said an American woman who spent hours navigating the riot scene. “The Tibetans were just running free.”

    Now look at what Tibet folks did in China & everywhere in the world. If Tibetan folks due to their claim of suppression in China, they protest peacefully in China, fine. Why do they go all violent in other countries?
    四川阿壩寺廟檢大批武器
    http://www.mingpaotor.com/htm/News/20080330/tcaa1.htm
    闖尼泊爾聯國辦事處 60藏獨示威者被捕
    http://www.mingpaotor.com/htm/News/20080329/tab3.htm
    …中國駐外使領館頻遭衝擊,中國駐三藩市總領館簽證處日前遭縱火
    …中國駐奧地利大使館日前亦遭藏獨人士闖入,破壞使館設施。
    …據美聯社報道,昨日在加德滿都的聯合國辦事處外抗議的西藏流亡人士,有18人衝入辦事處內,他們揮舞藏獨旗幟和示威標語,有60名示威者被捕。

  57. I found the TVB news video.

    Hong Kong TVB reporter Miss C T Chen, explicitly said the Chinese official who led the media reporters to the temple did not intervene, nor rush the reporters away on encounter of the monks’ protest, but just stood by and let the reports talk to the monks, else how can you see this video clip?

  58. 劇粒花:
    我係好鍾意姣婆蓮架! 佢嬉笑怒罵得來,內容充實兼有見地,有深度! 我愛呀!!! 如果日日睇佢百篇留言我都唔會厭, 佢D話劇重精彩添!

  59. After watching the TVB news clip, check the following news. It is funny how it was said the reporters were rushed away, when you can see there is more than 1 min of edited video of the protesting monks, and below it said it was a “15-minute protest". Tell me since when Chinese Communist Party will let you have all the 15 mins without doing anything, if they don’t want you to? The video clip has NO evidence of any intervention of the Chinese Official. If the media so much like the drama of bad Chinese Government, why do they self censored this most valuable moment? Not logical?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/world/asia/24tibet.html?st=cse&sq=lhasa&scp=3
    (The bias/fake report may have nothing to do with the New York Times, I refer to it, coz it shows who did it- an Associated Press correspondent on the tour)

    “The 15-minute protest by about 30 monks, who spoke first in Tibetan and then switched to Mandarin, was in the Jokhang Monastery, one of Tibet’s holiest shrines. The protest, videotaped by reporters, ended after government handlers shouted for the journalists to leave and tried to pull them away, an Associated Press correspondent on the tour said in an interview."

  60. How come there is no discussion about the Toronto protest on March 29, they want to show the other side of the story, they support 1 united China… Different perspective, different voices, I thought this forum is more liberal??? Am disappointed…

  61. [HONG KONG (AP) March 29, 2008]

    Half of Hong Kong’s legislators are elected, with the rest chosen by interest groups.

    Beijing ruled last year that the territory can elect its own leader in 2017 and all of its legislators later, 2020 at the earliest. Democracy activists say the timetable is too slow and fear China will continue to screen candidates.

    Lee said Friday that after he leaves office he will keep campaigning — both in Hong Kong and abroad — for full and genuine democracy.

    “When we see democratic elections in so many countries around the world, why is it that this great country of ours doesn’t trust its own people, doesn’t give its own people the right to vote and choose their own government?" he said.

  62. 【明報專訊】繼CTV、多倫多星報被指在報道西藏問題出現誤導,CTV更以「莫須有」的手法將尼泊爾警方鎮壓當地西藏抗議的畫面,與訪問中國駐加大使盧樹民硬堆在一起後,昨日另一個全國性電視網絡Global又用雷同的片段,將尼泊爾的鎮壓寫成是在西藏拉薩的鎮壓,西方媒體一而再,再而三的將基本事實混淆、不顧新聞原則的背後動機,耐人尋味。

    而多倫多及溫哥華昨分別有反藏獨集會,強調維護祖國統一、反對媒體不實報道。

    Global該則新聞報道是昨日在多倫多舉行的反藏獨及支持藏獨的兩場示威,但該名記者在描述雙方立場的迴異時,用語已有明顯分別。

    首先,對中國民眾舉行的「演唱會」說成是「高度有組織的活動」(highly organized event),且是「控制嚴密的活動」(tightly controlled event)等,形容參加集會者不容對媒體講話,又不容與集會主題相反的示威牌舉起。記者更引述主辦單位稱,活動不算是示威,只是「演唱會」。

    不過,該電視記者卻沒有報道,主辦單位原本申請示威遊行,卻得不到官方的批準,因此才將形式變成「演唱會」,活動才得以舉行。記者也沒有報道,現場很多人對西方媒體採訪非常戒備,原因是害怕說錯了什麼,會被西方媒體亂寫,亂扣帽子。

    然後,鏡頭一轉,新聞畫面變成了尼泊爾警方日前用武力逮捕及驅散當地的示威藏人,但畫面下方的說明卻是「拉薩,西藏」,再一次跟從德國及美國等媒體的誤導,將打人的尼泊爾警方說成是中國警方的暴力鎮壓。該新聞結尾,仍配合尼泊爾警方鎮壓片段,記者則語重深長道:「這一場由一小群少數族裔人士,向一個龐大、運作恒久有效的巨型機器的對抗。」

  63. 中共限制境外傳媒報導中國消息,控制國內傳媒報導新聞,這一點大家都會認同,不會有爭議吧。西藏事件有些人怪責西方傳媒的報導不公平,要怪就應該怪中共處理新聞的一貫手法,如果中共能開放新聞自由,公眾可以從不同渠道收到訊息,自行分析,謠言自然止於智者。

    中共控制宣傳有他自己的辦法,在七十年代,參加過一次專門接待的旅行團到江西窮鄉僻壤,中途停車吃午餐,旅遊車停泊在村屋門口,這間屋傢俱裝飾明顯與其他不同,一眾同行者對中國農村生活水準之高大讚不矣,事後分析,明顯是做馬,這一次是我親身經歷的經驗,其他有關的報導多如牛毛。要我相信中共的宣傳?好難囉!中共自以為很聰明,操控宣傳新聞嚴謹,但在我們心中的評價,不言而諭。

  64. 嘩, 真攞命! 留言區應該係留自己d言架, 點解會留d 咁長篇大論嘅大作架? 好似蓮姐咁簡而清咪好囉!! 下次容乜易有人將成本書擺上嚟, 咁我哋咪睇成個禮拜都睇唔哂???!!!! 譬如好似呢位忍姓埋名嘅人咁, 想俾我哋睇 Justin Raimondo 嘅大作, 就俾呢個連線咪掂囉:

    http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12585

    唔駛整到我要捺 Page Down 捺到個制都爆埋先可以 skip 咗嗰個 post 呀!!

    唏, 真係吖!

  65. Our Voice

    http://www.ourvoice.de

  66. Kahoo Fan君:

    1. 你對蓮姐的欣賞, 在上一篇留言已表遠過了.
    2. 面對問題的核心吧. 困在自我的思維, 喜歡看到合自己脾胃的文字/評論, 而不理內容是否真實, 評論是否公允, 以成見/想當然的態度去看事物, 我們早晚會淪為另類的維園阿伯
    3. 我看不少就這次西藏事件指責/批評西藏/現中國政府, 並不介意能否知道事件的真相, 因為他們心目中早已下了定論. 這個定論令他們可以肆意指斥現中國政府. 對不利這定論的任何資料, 他們都迴避甚至拒絶接收. 這是正確的態度嗎?
    4. 不過, 話說回來, 在留言區留言者, 找一些話題和對象, 以[嬉笑怒駡]的手法, 為志趣相投的讀者提供娛樂, 其實也不壞. 亦不必太認真了.

  67. 「長氣」網友文章引至消化不良.

  68. Kahoo Fan:

    多謝褒獎,小妹與眾網友無異,係度各舒己見啫,純屬個人意見,梗有人話過火,亦有人話啱聽,咁先至係言論自由吖嘛 。

  69. 329和平示威圖片集

    http://picasaweb.google.com/okyjjg/329

  70. 劇粒花:
    セ做維園亞伯好衰架? 佢地老而彌堅, 關心政事, 心中團火仲好旺盛,不過 可能火爆左D! 講起我覺得你已經係添!
    做乜我要同你 面對問題的核心呀? 我淨係鐘意蓮妹咋, 唔想同你傾墦!
    " 困在自我的思維, 喜歡看到合自己脾胃的文字/評論, 而不理內容是否真實, 評論是否公允, 以成見/想當然的態度去看事物" 咁我有時都係架! 我最唔想人地讚亞希仔囉! 不過果個都好似係你自己喎! 其實有D野,公說公有理, 婆說婆有理, 呢D時候D左鄰右里梗各有各講架啦! 不嬲都係咁架啦, 你願意信邊便, 咪邊便囉 ! 但共產黨的往績……..?
    我都係果句, 姣婆蓮上黎留多D言就好過哂喇! 我無蓮妹咁叻, 咁有見地, 睇野咁有角度, 咁有口才, 咁有學問, 你塭核心應該塭佢至真! 唔該哂!

  71. 不識時務二十年

    【明報專訊】從中國政治文化的層次來說,李柱銘算不上是一號人物,因為光是「識時務者為俊傑」這一條,李先生不單不合格,恐怕連應考的資格都沒有。可不是嗎,八十年代北京眼中的青年才俊、基本法 起草委員會裏的四十出頭御用大律師,沸沸揚揚的回歸後律政司長大熱門不二人選,在一九八九年春夏之交的那一場血腥鎮壓之後,從此大路朝天各走一邊,別的才俊跑中南海港澳辦 跑得門限為穿,他這個才俊卻在新華社中聯辦 政府總部 門前留下頭綁布條高喊口號的身影。

    參閱全文:
    http://insearchforjustice.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/%e5%ae%89%e8%a3%95%e5%91%a8%e8%a8%98%ef%b9%95%e4%b8%8d%e8%ad%98%e6%99%82%e5%8b%99%e4%ba%8c%e5%8d%81%e5%b9%b4-2008%e5%b9%b43%e6%9c%8830%e6%97%a5/

  72. 無法簡化的西藏問題

    【明報專訊】西藏爆發騷亂後,三十名 內地知識分子聯署,提出十二點建議,聲稱支援達賴喇嘛的和平呼籲,希望遵循善意、和平與非暴力的原則妥善處理民族爭端;並呼籲國家領導人停止官方媒體單方 面的、具有煽動民族仇恨和加劇局勢緊張效果的宣傳方式,允許有公信力的國內外媒體進入藏區獨立採訪,直接與達賴喇嘛對話,以消除漢藏人民誤解、實現團結。 在我看來,這些建議無疑是善意的,也是「愛國」的,因為前提畢竟是更有效的「團結」——那就意味覑不贊成「藏獨」。

    參閱全文:
    http://insearchforjustice.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/%e6%9b%b8%e5%88%b0%e7%94%a8%e6%99%82%ef%b9%95%e7%84%a1%e6%b3%95%e7%b0%a1%e5%8c%96%e7%9a%84%e8%a5%bf%e8%97%8f%e5%95%8f%e9%a1%8c-2008%e5%b9%b43%e6%9c%8830%e6%97%a5/

  73. Kahoo Fan君:

    就你給我的留言, 請較詳細說明這一句的意思:

    [我最唔想人地讚亞希仔囉! 不過果個都好似係你自己喎!]

    亞希仔是陳冠希嗎? 如果是的話, 則我從沒有讚他. 我反而因有網友在這留言表示他在淫照事件中沒有責任而以沒有安放好手鎗為例, 與網友討論他有不能逃避的責任.

  74. 中共限制, 有時甚至禁止傳媒在境內自由採訪的做法, 當然是錯誤, 理應受到指責. 但傳媒本身也不能因為不能親身實地採訪, 而以[創作]或其他近以的圖片來替代. 蒙混過去, 誤導讀者. 對於西方傳媒這樣的做法, 自詡站在自由樂土, 擁有極大自由度去分析是非黑白的人士, 他們的容忍度真的很高啊! 不單不指責那些曾弄虛作假的西方傳媒, 還替不遵職業道德的西方傳媒開脫. 其意思像是說: [不能責怪那些傳媒, 他們被限制採訪, 以創作和想當然來報導也是迫不得已和可以理解的. 怪只怪不容許他們採訪的執政者吧!] 是否公允和合理呢?

  75. Cat Lover:

    本來都唔想出聲,不過你提起我的偶像姣婆蓮和塵廳長喎,只好來趁趁熱鬧啦。 他倆人意見又有point,又底死有趣,而且一針見血,有他們在留言,真的生色不少。

    至於,新聞報導被某些媒體所誤導,並唔出奇。因此我們更需要不同的平台,來平衡和桿衛我們的新聞自由。

    六四距離現在差不多二十年,怎麼中國還吸取唔到教訓。如果覺得自已有理的話,就唔應該趕走的西方傳媒,自已走去清場。其實應該叫他們大影特影,還邀請他們出席法院的審訊過程,可惜中國當局錯失良機,現在叫人信他也很難。

  76. Forget it, as someone says it, losers in aciton….

    all the temporary get ready, the reporters are coming now, ready for actions!

  77. Mr Soccer fan: Arsenal came back and won yesterday, I think they still have hopes if the players can stick together.

  78. 329和平示威圖片集….want to puke too…..please the caption is really…hmm…’leung’

  79. Cat Lover:

    你做解剖架定係律師呀?柯尿都隔渣?!比你X光完連骨都冇剩囖!!!!

  80. Wenger 君:

    Arsenal 昨天勝來不易,最後30分鐘連入三球才反敗為勝,身為 Arsenal 長期 fans,當然希望他們最終取到歐聯及英超雙料冠軍。在整個球季的最後階段,是考驗整隊球員的靱力及鬥志,缺一不可,望 Wenger 能妥善安排,如聯賽沒法趕上時便要放棄,全力去爭歐聯,以免全部落空。阿仙奴,加油!加油!

  81. GY君:

    1. 蓮姐和塵兄也是我尊重的網友, 我亦十分喜歡閱讀他們的留言. 蓮姐文筆生動, 塵兄用詞辛辣, 各有特色. 我完全同意你所說: [有他們在留言,真的生色不少]. 但他們的觀點和態度不一定全對.

    2. 在留言區留言, 固然是遊戯文章, 但如能幫助大家瞭解一些事情, 便更加美好. 所以對有妨礙瞭事件真相的情況, 提出來討論一下, 大家應有胸襟去面對和思考.

    3. 中共有百般不是, 現在仍不攺對傳媒操控的手法是事實, 但那不表示我們可以憑自己的主觀意願, 不問事實, 以最壞的狀況去指斥中共.

    4. 在對今次西藏事件的評論, 有網友將其與六四事件相提並論. 那是對比不當. 在六四事件中, 參與的同胞, 無論是學生, 工人或平民, 他們有用暴力嗎? 有攻擊和傷害無辜市民嗎? 不要侮辱曾參與這偉大運動的同胞和已犠牲的英魂! 即使在今次的西藏暴亂, 中共曾施行鎮壓, 也不可與在六四相提並論. 她在六四中所犯的錯誤更大 (那是對進行非暴力/和平行動的國民動武).

  82. 癡膠花君:

    1. 我明白當發覺自己非常有信心的見解, 原來存在基本的漏洞時, 心中產生的失落和惆悵, 我在這方面的經驗太多了. 如果我的留言令讀者有此感受, 在此謹說聲對不起.

    2. 通常的回應是說被[捉字蚤], 那不失是自我排解的好方法. 用[柯尿都隔渣?]來回應還是所見的頭一遭, 有創意, 非常好!

  83. Merger of democrats not ruled out
    (The Standard, March 31, 2008)

    A merger of two or more democratic parties is a distinct possibility, Democratic Party chairman Albert Ho Chun-yan said yesterday.

    Democratic Party founder Martin Lee Chu-ming, who last week said he would not be contesting September’s Legislative Council polls, also suggested the Civic Party may emerge the leader of the pan-democratic camp and that his party would not be adverse to such a situation.

    http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=30&art_id=63726&sid=18283709&con_type=1&d_str=20080331&sear_year=2008

  84. 奸巧險惡的相貌來自平日的心懷不軌、作惡多端。

  85. 唔啱!柯尿都隔渣,隔完要黎飲呀?計我話雞蛋挑骨頭就差唔多,求其一句,就咁吹毛求疵喇,即係吹漲毛賊東,吹到佢癡膠花囉,吹毛求癡!

  86. 毛賊東君:

    不錯. [雞蛋裏挑骨頭]和[吹毛求疵]都較[柯尿都隔渣]或[捉字蚤]用來自我排解好. 效用與駱駝將頭埋在沙埋一樣.

  87. 更正:

    前文[駱駝]應為[駝鳥]之誤.

  88. 乜野自我排解呀?我以為你想話排尿小解添。

    ……土豆燒熟了,再加牛肉。不須放屁,試看天地翻覆。

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