All who have not pleaded guilty, will keep saying they are innocent. It is up to everyone’s liberty to choose to believe justice was served or the convicted was innocent.
By: 又愛又恨:黑白不分 on 二月 22, 2008 at 7:47 上午
獨孤求丙 // February 22, 2008 at 1:24 am “Omar Khadr had been working as an Al-Qaeda operative…it is quite obvious that, due to nothing but sheer luck, it wasn’t him who threw that grenade …
The difference between 程翔 and Omar Khadr is that one was tried in an ironically-named “Chinese justice system” where just judgment is a rarity…In democratic jurisdictions like Canada and the U.S., not only there is hope that Omar Khadr will see light at the end of the tunnel because his case will be tried before the public, this chap may even turn around and file a counter-suit to try to pocket millions of dollars of compensations from the taxpayers – although you and I both know that he does not deserve even a penny of payout from us due to his background in supporting Al-Qaeda’s fight against the allies.
… these evil regimes."
This sounds like a speech from President Bush 🙂
If we look at the current 10 years events, if “evil regimes" means invasion, get a lot of other countries’ folks death, have a lot of protesters’ wherever the President visits, partitioned Kosovo, have their embassy demonstrated by protesters, tell me which country this is? Cuba, North Korea, Iran, China? No, USA.
I suggest you read the current news more carefully.
It is kind of sick to say a 15 years old boy kidnapped by US army since 2002 with NO open court, and now transferring to military court , and one has the sick heart to say he can claim millions of $? Let time judge your sick statment.
程翔 is an adult, who lived half his live before his trouble, his has all the knowledge to make his choice to not to make trouble. I dare not say his did or not did anything wrong, as any justice in this world can miss-judge, but the fact is he is release on parole, after ❤ years in prison.
Khadr is still in prison for almost 6 years and counting!! Whatever Khadr did, me & you have no real idea, but whatever he did was between 0 -15 years old. If any bad thing his did ( I doubt), do you think he has 程翔’s knowledge to make the “right" choice?
By: 又愛又恨:黑白不分 on 二月 22, 2008 at 8:36 上午
sorry, typo, who lived half his live before his trouble= who lived half his life before his trouble
程翔 met the press, and spoke to the public. He did not deny he had taken money from Taiwan.
According to law of a lot of modern nations (including US, Canada, HK,..), one has to be able to explain and prove one’s income and wealth.
One has to reflect as why a lot of people love one’s own country and can do contribution to one’s own country with success, including people in mainland China, but only 程翔 got into trouble? 劉銳紹 & 李子誦 together with 程翔 創辦《當代》雜誌, 劉銳紹 & 李子誦 have never been arrested, right?
Sorry borrowed from wording from 見龍在田 but modified to suit:
食得咸魚抵得渴! 愛國狂熱者有他自已的一本聖經! 政治狂熱者亦有他的自已一套!
智囊組織和智庫=某基金會是指中華歐亞基金會(Foundation on International Of Cross-strait Studies,F I C S)，代理人薛某和戴某應是薛宏義及戴東清，而兩人均已離職.
Who is in this foundation?
1.Lin Chong-Pin, president of the Foundation on International and Cross-Strait Studies here and Taiwan’s former deputy defense minister, argues that Washington has a choice: approve the F-16 sale or prepare for the consequences of a weakened Taiwan against a formidable enemy. China has acquired new Su-27 fighters from Russia and is developing new indigenous fighters.
2. Alexander Chieh-cheng Huang, senior vice president at the Foundation on International and Cross-strait Studies (FICS). In May 2004, he completed his decorated public service as vice chairman of the Mainland Affairs Council in the Taiwan government and returned to academia. He is now professor of strategic studies and director of American studies at Tamkang University and, concurrently, has been a senior associate in the CSIS International Security Program since 2000. What is CSIS? Center for Strategic and International Studies is a Washington, D.C.–based foreign policy think tank. Funded partially by government contracts.
This FICS is not all for Taiwan for who? Is not owned by Taiwan, owned by who?
好心,但做了壞事. 非故意殺人還是殺了人. Love the country but do things in a moron way, is not using adult level judgment.
For the same course of patriotic to China, why:
some people ended up with an avenging mind?
some people ended up like 程翔?
some people ended up like 林毅夫?
林毅夫 is not possible to be “去刷中國政府的鞋". You can’t fake this, as it was 1982 while Theodor W Schulz, 1980 Noble Economic prize winner, was visiting China, Theodor noticed 林, and recommended 林 to study in US with him. 1986年林毅夫取得了芝加哥大學經濟系博士學位，博士論文《中國的農村改革：理論與實證》被舒爾茨稱讚為「新制度經濟學的經典之作」. On February 4, 2008 he was named to be the new Chief Economist and Senior Vice President of the World Bank. This is positive behavior contributing to all Chinese people.
Cat Lover :"1. 當有人批評一個國家/人士有錯誤時, 問題的核心是那個國家/人士有沒有犯所指的錯誤, 而不是有沒有其他的國家/人士犯同樣的錯誤…"
There are options to try to make things better. Here is an analogy:
Your grand-parent were very bad, did a lot of bad thing to the family and the house:
1. now you hate your parents even though they have improved the family situation a lot, and keep going toward the betterment but not drastically changing in decision making. Even though you still love your family’s house & the members, you don’t live with them anymore, you always think your parents are bad, the neighbors parents are better, more freedom. While the freedom neighbor always go out to bully/hurt/kill other neighbors to make them conform to his way, you don’t care.
2. now you are keeping an eye on what your parents are doing, shout if they are bad, and praise if they are good.
3. now you are keeping an eye on what your parents are doing, and you also love your neighborhood, want them to do good. Your thinking is if the neighbors do bad things, your parents even if not follow suit, can do other not so good things and have excuse. So instead of blindly chasing the deeds of your parents, you try to make neighbors do better, then as least your parents have to do good in certain way. So neighbors’ bad deeds in any degree parallel to your parents, you will criticize.
By: 又愛又恨:黑白不分 on 二月 22, 2008 at 9:16 下午
I cried when I’m reading this article. Pleeeeease read it.
Have you ever looked into the eyes of a child who has no hope? I have and it will stay with me the rest of my life. I’ll bet if I looked into the eyes of a young Canadian named Omar Khadr, I’d see the same sad look of a child who has no hope.
The child, now a young man, was 15 at the time of the alleged crime he is charged with committing, yet the facts show that he had no choice after being taken by his family from Canada to Afghanistan several years ago. The child was very young and he had little option but to go with members of his family.
That child was Omar Khadr, a Canadian citizen. At 15 he was no more legally responsible for any crimes committed in combat than the children of Sierra Leone, which I chose not to prosecute. Omar Khadr is a victim of war.
The charges against him should be dropped and he should be sent home where he can be rehabilitated, not punished. Defence counsel alleges he is mentally years behind his now 20 years of age, as he has been incarcerated in a detention camp since 2002. One asks where is the outrage in all of this by right-thinking people? France has called for Khadr’s release. Where is Canada?
1. A performing animal (esp. a pony) who knows but one trick.
2. (idiom) By extension, someone who can do one thing well but is otherwise unremarkable or inept.
By: little wrong on 二月 23, 2008 at 6:41 上午
I think everyone may have a kid of less than 15 one time or another, and everyone knows what the father did has nothing to do with the kids.
When Amnesty, France, scholars, all condemn Khadr should be releases, because he was framed.
So why are we so cruel to say ”奥媽契弟”(Omar Khadr)"? Why are we so cruel to assume a 15 years old boy knows what he is doing and “是為聖戰殺敵準備隨時光榮犧牲的極端回教主義者"?
To borrow from 獨孤求丙, “(you) folks haven’t come to (your) senses and imitate only the superficial side of the west but not the very foundation of civility."
By: 又愛又恨:黑白不分 on 二月 23, 2008 at 7:59 上午
In case you are not aware, civilization began in Imperial Egypt, China, not in the West. Modern Western Laws are to term a man is innocent until court sentence, but Khadr has NO court proceeding and imprisoned for close to 6 years. Modern Western Laws are to protect the minor. Modern Western civility is to praise, to encourage, to forgive, so as to achieve improvement, not cursing and bad-wording all the time.
By: 又愛又恨:黑白不分 on 二月 23, 2008 at 8:08 上午
sorry should be:
Modern Western civility is to praise, to encourage, to forgive, and to suggest constructive/positive idea, so as to achieve improvement, not cursing and bad-wording all the time (which is so easy, I know, even a baby can do this, but to have contructive suggestion…your turn).
多謝又愛又恨:黑白不分轉述小弟句: “haven’t come to their senses and imitate only the superficial side of the west but not the very foundation of civility", 但提話中人物是中共黨員, 而並非此處網友! 但如果在下說話像 George Bush 的話, 我就一定要模仿埋佢, 側起個頭, 打斜個身, 用極輕挑嘅南部口音講才似喇! 而閣下似乎浩似中國共產主義推銷員, 對中共只 “focus on the positive", 正如 Cat Lover 君在 February 22, 2008 at 5:01 pm 所言, 卽對黨的惡行則用其他國家的惡行來維護。
Problem is 程翔 is a moron, did it without knowing it. Thus he said he did not intentionally did anything wrong such as spying. Such as reckless driving is a criminal offense. Check what is reckless driving , also include did not intentionally want to be reckless http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reckless_driving
Eduardo嘅傷照阿仙奴官方網頁稱可以在今年內 full recovery，這是一個好消息，但不知需要多少時間才能與隊友配合及回復其自信心？目前阿仙奴前鋒除了Adebayor跟Walcott 外，還有荷蘭籍嘅 Robin van Persie，此子左腳凌厲，可惜剛傷愈，狀態暫時未十足，相信很快便可溶入隊中，屆時攻力便會多變化一點。
唉！國際足協好似頑固老翁，食古不化，人家 tennis 及美式足球 都有即時翻睇錄影，遊免判錯而影响賽果啦！
Even if DaSilva can fully recover, I believe he won’t be the same player again. Psychologically, he would play with hesitation. Look at Ronaldo, after his first major knee operation, he never regain his top shape, only play good football occasionally.
By: Arsenal-wenger on 二月 27, 2008 at 11:57 下午
By: 黃毓仁 on 二月 28, 2008 at 1:40 上午
Bring Khadr home
If you care to know what happened to Khadr when he was 15, check these Toronto Star’s articles, beware the graphic can be too shocking to some:
Part 1: The story of Guantanamo’s child http://www.thestar.com/article/326337
“..DAMIEN CORSETTI was one of the interrogators… was an intimidator and he was good at it…When Corsetti saw the hole on the top of Omar’s back, he held a Coke can to the wound. “You could have fit that can of Coke in…
Corsetti wasn’t Omar’s interrogator but made a point of talking to the teenager as often as he could..”Honestly, he seemed like a young kid who got swept up into something because of his family ties and never got the opportunity to make a choice for himself whether it was right or wrong,” Corsetti said.
Bring Khadr home http://www.thestar.com/article/326290
“The American Civil Liberties Union describes the tribunals as “a mockery” of justice. The United Nations, the Canadian Bar Association, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and many others have taken up his case. …Britain and Australia have managed to have their own citizens returned from Guantánamo. (to face due process at home)
The book :
“Guantánamo’s Child: The Untold Story of Omar Khadr,” by Michelle Shephard, Toronto Star journalist tobe released on Mar 24.
By: 又愛又恨:黑白不分 on 三月 10, 2008 at 12:57 下午
Khadr is a terrorist, lock him up!
By: Muslim on 三月 11, 2008 at 10:41 下午
Khadr is just like Ching Cheung, betray their country, they both should be locked up for life or even hang to death. Khadr definitely is a terrorist, people who don’t know our community, please shut up your mouth and don’t pretend you are rescuing an innocent kid!
By: Muslim on 三月 11, 2008 at 10:47 下午
Khadr is a terrorist, 請不要又含又吹﹐亂甘講廢話
By: nono on 三月 23, 2008 at 11:44 下午
black and white sucks!
By: LMF on 三月 24, 2008 at 11:22 下午
Idiotic losers in actions:
Muslim // March 11, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Khadr is a terrorist, lock him up!
nono // March 23, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Khadr is a terrorist, 請不要又含又吹﹐亂甘講廢話
LMF // March 24, 2008 at 11:22 pm
black and white sucks!
By: 又愛又恨:黑白不分 on 三月 25, 2008 at 4:13 下午
who can prove Khadr is innocent? nobody yet, loser!
By: 訪客 on 三月 30, 2008 at 10:19 下午
If you love freedom, love Western Government election style, love the justice system, (all 3 of these I like them too), you must know the justice system protect the minor (Khadr is), woman, and assume everyone is INNOCENT before one is subjected to fair trial. So you can prove Khadr is NOT innocent?
Khadr is not a soldier, a child soldier is not a soldier in International law. He is not having fair trial. Australia already got her prsion in Guantanamo back home for trail, there is no more Western country nationality prisoner, except Khadr. Why Khadr is not coming back to Canada for trial? I think there was a terrorist caught in China, who is a Canadian, but China do not recognize double nationality so once he was in China, he was arrested. This is agreeable to international law, Japan will do the same. But I think I’ve heard a lot of folks here screamed. Double standard?