發文作者:kahoo | 十二月 17, 2007

荷外交官拋棄南韓養女… 解釋: “Fear of Bonding"

荷蘭駐港領事館 Consulate General of the Netherlands in HK
E-mail address:  
NLgovhon@netvigator.com
Tel:  (852) 2522-5127  /  Fax:  (852) 2868-5388

荷蘭駐港副領事Raymond Poeteray夫婦,拋棄7歲南韓養女Jade,聲稱有嚴重文化適應問題 (fear of bonding):  

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精彩重溫

Part 1: 
荷蘭《電訊報》(De Telegraaf) 抨擊外交官
Jade「像家庭垃圾」(a piece of household rubbish)般丟棄
http://torontofirstnet.com/radioplay.php?file=20071217-1730


Part 2:  
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歲養女Jade「恐懼情感聯繫」「病情嚴重」?
http://torontofirstnet.com/radioplay.php?file=20071217-1800


Part 3:
荷蘭駐香港領事館人員:這純屬私人行為,這樣做不違法」http://torontofirstnet.com/radioplay.php?file=20071217-1830


Responses

  1. Who is the woman in the talk show? Ng Ting Ting , you better named U Stop Stop. Whatever it involves of 2 races, you always cry for discrimination.

    If you have the point, carry on even after Dr. So explained what he has seen among Canadian white who adopt Chinese children.

    Shame…….

  2. 真係人不可以貌相,個女人個樣唔錯,但人品就真係不敢恭維。呢件事令我諗起始亂終棄,人相處得耐,7年幾8年,點解好似冇感情咁嘅。

  3. 輿論批評是無用的!大家道德標準不同!
    首先領養時原收養團體與收養父母簽訂何等合約!
    收養亞洲娃娃在這幾年間在西方社會是如收養寵物一樣普通,要注意的是收養條款.

  4. Kahoo,

    Please info the web/e-mail of the Nl’s embassy.

    Tks n b rgds

  5. Ng Ting Ting has her points. I greatly appreciate we have so many good, educated and brave people to speak out the true.

    d.k. are you white? if so, may be that makes you feel uncomfortable. if not, please learn our language and express it in writing.

  6. My computer does not carry the language writer. So, I use English as a media.

    Everyone could say discrimination; however, if you always say so with no support points. You will ruin the big picture. And, people will not listen next time.

    Back to the second part of the talk show. Ng ting ting just gave the general picture that happened recently in Europe. But, she still could not give any hard evidence of discrimination in this case. You may say this is her gut feeling. That is no good to comment to the public. She may feel shame if she is asked for evidence.

    O.K. What is her point that you understand?

  7. I totally agreed with d.k. says , Ng Ting Ting used to carry out the discrimation issue but no hard evidence to support her point of view . I am no longer to tolerate her loud speaker ‘s attitude toward the show .

  8. Every computer does carry the language writer. If you do not, you only know one aspect of how to function the machine.

    Mr. Harper said we have thousands of thousands special agents in Canada. Does he has any hard evidence?

    Is this a good to comment to the public for the whole country?

    You may feel shame if you only know one aspect of your daily using machine and only listen to one aspect of the Mr. Harper’s saying.

  9. 這事件黑白分明, 我相信沒有人會說這對夫婦的行為正確, 最多是像荷蘭駐香港的發言人所說, 這對夫婦在法律上沒有犯錯而已.

    雖然沒有必要將每件牽涉兩個種族的事件, 與種族歧視相提並論, 但這事件又實使人有這方面的想法. 因為如果那被收養的女孩不是韓裔, 而是白種人, 其至是荷蘭裔, 他們的做法會否不同, 實在使人懷疑.

    就算[收養亞洲娃娃在這幾年間在西方社會是如收養寵物一樣普通]這一說法是對的, 但現代人對收養寵物, 已宣揚一種需要照顧寵物一生一世的概念, 提醒人在收養前要三思. 這對夫婦的行為, 已不能用這方向去解釋了. 他們雖或未有觸犯法律, 但他們的不仁和不義, 相信自有判斷和公論.

  10. 一本政經這個節目己成為了N.D.P的宣傳平台。因為一本正經最近節目的題材選擇取向和嘉賓主持人的掉動完全是為平權會等人而設,而平權會正是華人N.D.P 黨員的大本營。
    最明顯的舉動就是吳婷婷的加入。吳婷婷正是平權會的總幹事,亦是N.D.P 的黨員,他們經常分化主流社會與華人社區的關係。不排除李家豪成為了他們的一份子。

  11. NDP好!派錢黨!窮人救星,愈窮愈好,窮人一定是被迫害者!
    NDP好!少數族裔的大海明燈,少數族一定是被迫害者!

  12. 甚麼現代人,文明人?
    “一生一世"何需宣揚提醒?
    無法律約束,道德禮法於此等人有何用哉?
    這現實世界多的是此等人面獸心,披著人皮的高級份子!
    讓上帝去處理吧!

  13. 愛國分子君對一本政經的節目路線和手法的看法雖是個人意見, 這節目的製作人仍應加以檢討, 看看愛國分子君的批評是否正確有理, 或是否需要作出適當的調整.

    至於愛國分子君對吳婷婷女士, 平權會以至NDP [經常分化主流社會與華人社區的關係]的指責則非常嚴重,吳女士,平權會或NDP代表應作出回應

  14. 愛國分子 // December 17, 2007 at 11:01 pm

    [**他們經常分化主流社會與華人社區的關係。**]

    回應//
    主流社會與華人社區一向都是水同油;一向 都是黑白分明,何以有分化?

    [**因為一本正經最近節目的題材選擇取向和嘉賓主持人的掉動完全是為平權會等人而設**]

    回應//
    近日題材是
    1)荷外交官拋棄南韓養女… 解釋: “Fear of Bonding”
    2)Politicians need to address racist attacks: Human Rights Commission
    3)今日嘉賓: 香港電台《南京說》紀錄片主持 倪秉郎
    愛國不是盲目去愛!要用理智思考!翻查近日的節目題材,已列述如上。荷蘭領使使節棄養韓孩不是無中生有的題材;人權會賀伯禮開記者會交代釣魚人仕被推下湖事件調查是重是社區新聞,與民生生活息息相關;南京事件剛剛是七十周年

    事實就是:所有題材是有討論性回顧性。愛國分子盲目批評,不依事理,不據事實;怎教人相信你的斷語呢?好好靜思,接受教育,多留意事實動態,胡言亂語害了自己也罷,誤導群眾就造孽了!

    心離遠一點,事理清晰點!

  15. 首先我不同意這次事件牽涉種族歧視成份,因為如果這對荷蘭夫婦是種族主義者,為何當初他們會領養一個亞裔女孩和他們共同生活將近九年時間呢?
    蘇庚哲講得對,他們之所以拋棄這個韓裔女童的主要原因是他們己有了自己的親生骨肉,所以他們逐慚厭棄自已的養女。無論這個養女是不是有色人種,她都總有一天會被離棄。
    整件事的問題在於親疏有別,而非種族歧視。加上大批西方傳媒大示報導,更加足以否定這是種族歧視問題。可是吳婷婷卻有理無理,一口咬定這是一宗種族歧視問題。而且她不是首次沒有理據地提出歧視問題 ,她己有前科。例一:她認為梁安琪之所以被指責態度欠佳,皆因她是女性,如果她是男性,她不會得到這麽嚴重的苟斥。 例二:她在慰安婦問題上認為執政黨遲遲不通過法案是因為性別歧視。
    她每次提出這些觀點時都沒有充份的理由。不知道她是否幻了歧視過敏症,還是希望煽動華人的自卑情緒,爭取N.D.P更多選票。如果屬實,這是很好的策略,至少令到阿Sam 覺得她是人民英雄。

  16. Well, it’s easy to say that it’s a racially motivated because it involves different races.

    I wonder if the couple adopted a Hungarian or Bulgarian baby and abandoned her now, would/should the some media criticize race as a factor? After all, Hungarians and Bulgarians are different culturally and racially from the Western European counterparts. So, it’s really hard to say definitively that it’s 100% racially motivated just as I could not say 100% it is not.

    It would be more certain if the couple adopted two orphans: one Asian and one white and they showed huge difference of love and care to them and decided to abandon the Asian child provided that both suffered the same degree of “fear of bonding”.

    Like all have said, there is no solution to that. The baby must not return to the couple for fear that they would not treat her well anyway. All developing or underdeveloped countries should establish tough screening and legislation for child adoption by foreigners as well as possible prosecution on extreme cases. In choosing prospective parents, the welfare of the babes should be given the foremost priority. To baby Jade, I suppose she is a South Korean? Wouldn’t local Korean couples be considered for adoption right first? To some people, the notion that white people are necessarily better candidates should be viewed with reservation as it potentially inflicts self-discrimination on oneselves.

  17. 愛國要愛得明目,不要盲目!

    我同意這次事件牽涉種族歧視成份!
    白人當初他們會領養一個亞裔女孩和他們共同生活將近九年時間,出發點很多,我們無從稽考。

    正如愛國分子所說[**大批西方傳媒大示報導,更加足以否定這是種族歧視問題。**]
    愛國分子癲倒是非,既然是大批西方傳媒大示報導,更加足以肯定!肯定!這是種族歧視問題。
    否則單單親疏有別的理由,不會引起輿論公憤!

    從一連串反對一本正經節目內容及嘉賓聲音中,有許多是無中生有,癲倒是非,故意指控的攻擊,這是一本正經節目做得了得,深入民心,廣泛受華語及主流傳媒重視的一個出色節目;有滋事份子如此做法,一是出於政黨攻奸,一是出於同行競爭,一是出於內部人事分化,上下角力挑釁奪權,敗壞節目去除異己的行為!

    多倫多第一台之所以成功,現在的命脈可謂繫於一本正經節目的存在把關!上下員工若分化內鬥,一定全軍覆沒,到時想玩狗玩貓,講飲講食,旅遊娛樂,相信都會成為舊時中中的舊時代,比舊時代還沒有人要呢!

    一本正經,華語時事節目中最受華語聽眾收聽的節目!不信,做做調查去吧!!

  18. d.k. // December 17, 2007 at 6:27 pm
    Shame…….

    d.k. // December 17, 2007 at 7:57 pm
    That is no good to comment to the public. She may feel shame if she is asked for evidence.

    —–

    Shame! Shame!
    I just wonder why you always saying “shame" to a particular person.

    Let me say something to you that I was asked by a friend this morning.
    She asked, “Why did the Harper govt quit while all the nations trying to renew on the Kyoto Protocol?
    Yesterday, Harper said to the press on the Defective goods targeted, “Canadians shouldn’t have to worry about the toys they’re putting under the tree. They shouldn’t have to worry about the food they eat. They shouldn’t have to worry about drugs that may do more harm than good,"

    She just confused.
    If the earth goes worse and worse without Canada’s (USA) coorperation to renew Kyoto Protocol, what is the good to a particular attention to defective goods imported in Canada?

    Will the Canadians survive with their best quality of imported goods at home, while the earth is no longer can be live on?

    Please, tell me who should feel shame with a solid evidence shown here that will dangerous the whole human beings on earth while the Harper govt is occupied in endorsing the policy on targeting the defective goods ?

  19. 要做一個理性而不盲目的聽眾首先要冷靜的頭腦和有系统的辯證。但我完全不覺得"心離分子"有這兩種氣質。
    讓我剖析你樓上的文章:

    1.[**我同意這次事件牽涉種族歧視成份!
    白人當初他們會領養一個亞裔女孩和他們共同生活將近九年時間,出發點很多,我們無從稽考。**]
    就憑你以上的一段說話,你連他們的領養動機都無從稽考,甚至連考究的勇氣都沒有,只因他們是白人夫婦你就一ロ咬定這是涉及種族歧視,證明你沒有精密的思考和推斷能力。我是從常理推斷則疑這宗事件並非種族歧視。試想想,希特勒會不會領養‧一個猶太兒童做他的兒子?

    2.[***正如愛國分子所說[**大批西方傳媒大示報導,更加足以否定這是種族歧視問題。**]
    愛國分子癲倒是非,既然是大批西方傳媒大示報導,更加足以肯定!肯定!這是種族歧視問題。
    否則單單親疏有別的理由,不會引起輿論公憤!***]
    我之所以提出大批西方傳媒大示報導,就更加證明西方傳媒報導中立,沒有預設立場。試想想,如果西方傳媒含有種族主義,又怎會自暴其醜,大示報導白人家庭遺棄亞裔女童的個案?他們只覺得這件事有新聞價值,能喚起對兒童權益的注意(包括亞裔兒童),對人性的反思。至於"心離分子"認為大批西方傳媒大示報導反而更加足以肯定!肯定!這是種族歧視問題,真令人費解。不知"心離分子"是根據什麼理由肯定是種族歧視呢?

    3.[**從一連串反對一本正經節目內容及嘉賓聲音中,有許多是無中生有,癲倒是非,故意指控的攻擊,這是一本正經節目做得了得,深入民心,廣泛受華語及主流傳媒重視的一個出色節目;有滋事份子如此做法,一是出於政黨攻奸,一是出於同行競爭,一是出於內部人事分化,上下角力挑釁奪權,敗壞節目去除異己的行為!**] 從以上這一段陰謀論證明"心離分子"與民革思想一脈相承,令我想起有良心的李柱銘因為發表人權言論而被野蠻的維園阿伯侮罵,鬧他漢奸,賣國賊,說他一定收受了美國利益等言論。文化大革命的慘劇,全因為有"心離分子這種不講邏輯,沒有獨立思考的人,只要對方與自己見解不同就胡亂揣測對方的用心。
    一本政經這個節目之所以成功是因為擁有大量有邏輯,有獨立思考的聽眾,而非盲目接受主持人的見解的無知聽衆。我對一本政經這個節目的批評是出於善意,有批評オ會有進步。
    另外,Cat lover 君覺得我對吳婷婷的指貴太嚴重,其實非也,就以網上留言反應就看出吳婷婷的言論會影響很多人的神經線,像"心離分子"和阿Sam等人可見一班。令到主流社會與華人社區增加某程度的隔漠。
    本人十分欣賞Cat Lover 君對人對事的持平態度和禮貌謙虛的文筆,你是一位高質素的聽眾;至於心離分子的文筆帶有狂燥,我建議你看看心理醫生,這對你身心會有幫助。

  20. My computer does not carry Chinese language writer software. Thus, I use English as a means of communication. I said so, because you said in your first reply: ‘please learn our language and express it in writing’. Are you sure EVERY computer does carry Chinese language writer?

    Who cares what did Mr. Harper say about this or that? Mr. Harper’s right/wrong saying does not make Ng ting ting’s right/wrong…..Both are not related. Do you understand.

    We are arguing about ‘WHAT are Ng ting ting ‘s points’. Do you get it?

  21. Not white (Thank You GOD!)
    I’d hate to be from the same gene pool as people like Pickton and Bernado.
    I just like to show them that I can use English better then 60% of their population! Actually if I were typing Chinese, I’d be tempting to use Old style Chinese too..

    Anyways, I’d like to ask two questions related to this matter.
    1st, What are Netherlands’ official response on this matter? Not the population, but the government. Is it legal in their country? Or would this couple be facing jail terms? Disregarding your own child is crime, even if the child is adopted.

    2nd, Why was this couple allowed to adopt this poor child in the face place? It seems obvious that they are not suitable to be adoptive parents. Who made that decision to allow them to adopt this child? Were there under table exchanges involved?

  22. 巴巴巴啦啦啦!巴巴巴啦啦啦!
    總結:

    愛國分子 // December 18, 2007 at 3:03 pm

    至於心離分子的文筆帶有狂燥,我建議你看看心理醫生,這對你身心會有幫助。

    無話可說,未見醫生已經被定為有症!一點二點三點去表達自己的立場,這是好的;但去到最後,還是露出野蠻的態度,真教人如何相信你呢?
    你對相反意見的人抱著這樣的心態, 教人如何與你對話呢?
    我去看醫生!再見!

  23. BTW SAM

    can you tell me how to install a Chinese Encoder on my machine? I would like to type using a similar version like njstar’s Canton-Chinese input style, where it is Hong Kong Ping Yin.

    I am using Ubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft, Gnome 2.16.1, Linux Kernal 2.6.17-12-generic

    Please help!

  24. 此等質素之外交官, 如何代表國家 ??

  25. 愛國分子:
    I believe Kahoo already tried to balance the voice in the show. The management puts Ng ting ting and Dr. So together is a good mix. If you listen to the yesterday’s archieve, you may realize that Ng closed her mouth right after Dr. So gave those white Canadians examples. Dr. So is educated and well diversified gentleman. My opinion is Kahoo always raises audience emotion but he rarely mentions his FIRM position.

    However, I AGREED with other examples you raised. I here give you another example. When Olivia Chow cried out of discrimination of ‘Chow Chow’ named. BUT, one week after, her husband Mr. Laton got a comment of ‘boiled dog head’ from another MP. Mr. Laton did not follow suite, not even the same race people around him.

    Another example from Barb Hall, the human right commissioner, she said Mel Lastman was the ‘lastman’ to be a Mayor. She apologized in the Toronto Mayor competition. BUT, Mr. Lastman and his Jews friends did not say race discrimination.

    I do not point fingers to individuals. Read the blog archieves here, I praised Olivia Chow of her effort in sex slavery and head tax issues.

    My opinions here. We have to care of the big picture, the CREDITS lots of people created. If you have no strong reasons to support, DO NOT SAY race discrimination. Or, no one will listen to you next time.

    Say something to the public, we must 理性而不盲目.

  26. I put up the examples of Mr. Laton and Barb Hall for showing that Ng ting ting and Olivia Chow are ‘VERY DIFFERENT’ in crying of race discrimination.

    心離分子:

    Honestly, I could not put an equal sign between this ‘既然是大批西方傳媒大示報導’ and that ‘更加足以肯定!肯定!這是種族歧視問題’ .

    Ethical and rarely happened issues could also bring 大批西方傳媒大示報導….

  27. 愛國分子:

    People say race/gender discrimination because you do not resolve the head tax and sex slavery issues.

    Same people say you need my vote because you help out in head tax and sex slavery issues.

    To these people, I have a word not yet saying. The word is the same in Chinese and English – a foul language.

  28. Hello friends.

    Does anyone know about ‘Blogger’ and ‘WordPress’ softwares in terms of easy to use in both English and Chinese?

    Can Chinese writer software ‘Q9’ compatible with Mozilla Firefox ?

    I am preparing my blog to make fun on some issues………

  29. Oh. The word I just said is a single word, but not the sentence ‘delay no more’ because I just do not like to say that……

  30. ‘收養亞洲娃娃在這幾年間在西方社會是如收養寵物’

    The above might not be the ONLY reason to adopt an oriental child. Listen to Dr. So’s hard proof of those white Canadian cases. Agreed?

    Certainly, this Dutch couple might have hundred reasons to give up the child. Who knows what? All I agreed is ethically WRONG.

    However, if you only narrow down to one and only one reason. Please tell your logic/reasoning behind that….

    AND….. Try to comprise your reasons into marriage between races. —->

    Marry to an oriental girl is play (收養寵物 ), and divorce is race discrimination.

    If you still think so, please read my comment at // December 18, 2007 at 5:29 pm

  31. D.K.

    WordPress is a blog application, created in PHP, with a back end in MySQL.

    If you get the recent versions, they should all be written in Unicode, hence you can blog in ANY language you prefer. Take me for example, my blog is english based, However, if I decided to mix in Chinese, it is possible. just type it in and the system will take care of the rest.

    To your next question, Firefox works with anything, as long as you can type it in your local text editor, it would work.

    So, if you are using Windose Systems, then as long as it works on dose application, it would be blog able.

    If you are on Linux, like me, I’d suggest you install scim. I haven’t figure how to use it yet, I was hopping SAM would tell me how to get it to work…… but responses yet.

  32. Plesantly Live:
    I appreciate your time. Let’s see your blog. Thanks.

    Re: 愛國分子
    ‘阿Sam 覺得她是人民英雄’ . -> Wait.
    -> Sam will tell…….

    But, I laugh to the bank.

  33. Pleasantly Live:

    From the displays of different blogs, wordpress looks more professional, and blogger is the easy one.

    Adobe released version 7 long time ago; But my firefox got some rare results from; I switched back to version 6. Now, it is perfect.

    I show the demonstration of Q9 (Chinese Writer) with firefox, it was very impressive. However, I got problems even at download stage of the trial version. I am still figuring out the causes…..Will see.

    This is why I question the compatibility of softwares…..

    Thanks….


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