發文作者:kahoo | 十月 31, 2007

哈珀官式接見達賴,有無錯?

國會山莊連線嘉賓:
聯邦國會議員 鄒至蕙


精彩重溫:

Part 1:
今天
達賴如是說..
www.torontofirstradio.com/archive.asp?filename=ampart11-10-29-2007.asf

Part 2:
李家豪﹕ 妳老公林頓,聽朝會送咩禮物達賴呢?
鄒至蕙﹕ 未諗掂啊
你o既聽眾有無提議..?
www.torontofirstradio.com/archive.asp?filename=ampart12-10-29-2007.asf

Part 3:
李家豪﹕ 林頓聽日應該送有關慰安婦
o既達賴社會公義嘛!
鄒至蕙﹕ 嘩! 好提議!! 好
聽日就叫Jack準備一本慰安婦的俾佢!
www.torontofirstradio.com/archive.asp?filename=ampart13-10-29-2007.asf


Responses

  1. “是是非非,是是非非,你把我拋棄這樣無情義,但我亦決不追悔當初兩顆心相暗許"
    呀!細個唔知聽邊個女歌星唱架,呢首歌,佢好紅架,有無人知呀!!唔該話比我知!!

    是是非非,是是非非!

  2. 不求人,揾到啦,揾到啦,原來叫做麗莎!
    “來自星馬的歌星麗莎為香港帶來一個粵語歌曲熱潮﹐除了改編國語時代曲或粵曲小調外﹐又翻唱了一些50/60年代的粵語流行曲﹐當中便有這首“哥仔靚”﹐收錄於1973年文志唱片“絲絲淚”專輯。麗莎的歌聲非常甜美﹐感情抒發自然﹐深受港人歡迎﹐然而這首歌詞出位的歌曲﹐也就開始流行於九龍廟街紅燈區﹐可算是流鶯的心聲。"
    有樣有歌聽,"相思淚"

  3. 公子多情

    嘻嘻!離題左,唔好意思!下次講多的政事,補返數!!
    我細個係碌架床,聽我大佬買的大大張黑膠唱片返嚟係架唱音機播架,聽到我的中文咁好咯!!

  4. 同中國交往,最重要係實力,日本人就玩得最成功,哈珀接唔接見達賴,係加拿大內政,外國不應該說三道四,至於外交利益可看作長期短期兩方面,短期而言可能會有一段短時間的低潮,但要知道中共「國策」的本質根本就是欺善怕惡!只要夠實力有價值就可以平起平坐,否則一免談,你看同樣是華人,海外華人就比國內有統戰價值,台灣可以自治有自己的軍隊有選舉權及自由,而香港就只有愈來愈少的鳥籠民主同言論自由,至於西藏人差點就連生存權都未必有,由此可見同中共打交道最重要還是實力,如果只識言聽計從,中共反而看不上眼,有原則有立場,長遠而言,可能在重要關頭對加拿大會更有利

  5. 美國總統布什不顧中國政府的強烈反對和抗議,於10月16日公然在白宮「私下會見」西藏流亡分子達賴喇嘛,並於17日在國會山莊公開接見達賴及一起出席「頒獎儀式」。布什此舉是首次打破美國在任總統與達賴一起在公開場合露臉的禁忌,也是露骨支持達賴從事分裂中國罪惡活動的行徑。對此,中國外交部隨即提出嚴正抗議,譴責布什與達賴會晤,嚴重損害中美雙邊關係。

    鮮花插在牛糞上

    在此項所謂「頒獎儀式」上,布什與美國眾議院議長佩洛西一起將「榮譽勳章」頒發給達賴,並表揚達賴所謂「宣揚宗教和諧、擁護人權以及積極尋求與中國領導層的對話方式和平解決西藏問題所作出的努力」云云。這些冠冕堂皇的說詞,雖然給達賴臉上貼上一道光環,但卻與達賴的所作所為相差十萬八千里,簡直是把鮮花插在牛糞上!美國國會榮譽勳章是美國頒授給平民最高的榮譽,但布什政府卻竟把這一榮譽頒給一位長期流亡的「藏獨分子」。這是對美國人民的嚴重污辱。也是對13億中國人民蓄意的挑釁!人們不禁要問,布什政府居心何在?

    達賴喇嘛是何貨色?人們對此早已一清二楚。他是一個披著宗教外衣、死心塌地從事分裂中國活動的流亡政客,是中華民族的敗類!早在20世紀50年代末,他就發動西藏叛亂,在其分裂行徑遭到失敗後,隨即逃到印度,並在那裡設立「西藏流亡政府」。近半個世紀以來,他以頌揚宗教為名,四出活動,不遺餘力地在國際間公開鼓吹「西藏獨立」,強調所謂「西藏自治」,實際上是要將西藏的版圖從中國分裂出去。也因此,他早已成為西方勢力分裂中國的一隻重要棋子,早已與西方反華勢力沆瀣一氣,狼狽為奸。由此可見,無論布什政府如何為達賴粉飾,都掩蓋不了達賴破壞中國和平統一的真面目!

    更有甚者,達賴早在1997年3月就竄到台灣,與「台獨總後台」李登輝會面,一起幹著分裂中國的勾當。由此可見,達賴從來就沒有「積極尋求與中國領導層以對話方式和平解決西藏問題所作出的努力」,有的只是分裂中國的纍纍罪行和圖謀西藏永遠「獨立」的野心!這難道能像布什政府所說,達賴是在宣揚「宗教和諧」嗎?

    傷害中國人民感情

    布什自2000年上台以來,已經前後4次會見達賴。對於這次會見,白宮發言人說,沒有發布其兩人會面的照片,是「低調處理」。但紙是包不住火的。布什的一意孤行已經嚴重傷害中國人民的感情。因為西藏自古以來就是中國領土不可分割的一部分。布什雖多次表示,堅持一個中國原則,承認中華人民共和國政府是代表中國的唯一合法政府,但背地裡則與「台獨」分子陳水扁及「藏獨」分子達賴打得火熱,握手稱道,這一切,布什又怎能自圓其說?對此,正在北京參加中共17大的代表紛紛譴責布什會見達賴和頒獎給達賴。來自西藏的全國人大副委員長熱地,並要求布什應做對中美關係有利的事,不要做對中美關係、中美友誼和中國人民不利的事,不要干涉中國內政。熱地這一席話,代表了13億中國人民的心聲。

    另外,針對布什的挑釁言行,中國政府隨即決定不出席10月18日在柏林舉行的六國戰略會議(該會議重點討論對伊朗實行核制裁問題)。看來,中國的杯葛,明顯是對布什政府作出反制,以表中方對布什行徑的非常氣憤和非常不滿!看到美國總統布什十月十六日在白宮會見達賴喇嘛的消息,當時的即時思維反應是:國際社會的外交或外事活動應遵守一定的準則,就算是超級大國,也要注意外交道德和信義,不能兩面三刀、為所欲為。美國既然一再重申奉行一個中國政策,美國且與中國結成戰略夥伴關係,美國總統又怎能堂而皇之在白宮會見「藏獨」大頭子達賴呢?

    美在幕後操作

    還有更令人驚奇的事:布什見過達賴,在美國國會給達賴頒授「金質獎章」(榮譽金勳章)儀式之前,竟然說,他是以中國利益的立場與達賴見面及出席儀式,他認為此舉不會破壞美國與中國的關係。以筆者觀之,這樣的說話,這樣的立場和邏輯,應該是火星人的作派,不像地球人的表現。這好比,某甲在某乙的背上捅了一刀,竟然還能若無其事地說:「我是為了乙的利益才這樣做的。」這種說法和作風,是不是「欺人自欺」?是不是「厚顏無恥」?是不是「想點就點」的霸權主義心態。

    達賴原本是藏教的精神領袖,國家對他尊重及優渥有加,他實在應該真心及好好為藏民服務並報效國家才對。不料,達賴在上世紀六十年代參加及指揮叛亂,而後率領一批叛亂分子出逃印度,並在該國成立流亡政府,又組織叛亂分子在尼泊爾接受美國的軍事訓練,並由美國提供軍備和經濟援助。由達賴領導的叛亂集團,曾多次妄圖「打回西藏」,最終當然是全部徹底失敗。

    一九七二年美國尼克松總統訪華,中美正式建交,美國就不方便再在軍事上支持達賴,但經濟援助依舊。美國又改變策略,將達賴包裝成「宗教領袖」、「人權衛士」、「和平愛好者」,奉行的是甘地式的「非暴力主義」。更有甚者,美國更在幕前幕後大力運作,讓達賴獲得「諾貝爾和平獎」。美國這一策略的核心,一方面是將所謂「西藏問題」國際化,另一方面是利用達賴參與「反華」以及在中國西部方向「圍堵中國」。達賴成了美國和國際「仇華、反華」勢力的一隻棋子或馬前卒,倘作逆向思考,在達賴則是挾洋自重,在國際社會自得其樂地扮演「國際名人」的角色。

    在上世紀六十年代,達賴所有活動的主旨就是「藏獨」,他欲以「政教合一」的獨裁模式創建並統治「大藏族自治區」(除了西藏,還包括周邊新疆、青海、四川、雲南的部分地區),但這當然是達賴本人及其親信的痴心妄想而已。其後,由八十年代開始,達賴和他的發言人在公開場合一再表明,他們並不追求「藏獨」,他們尋求的是「高度自治」。這當然是達賴集團的「帽子戲法」。

    「藏獨」本質不變

    事實上,達賴的代表不斷與中央有聯繫,並多次到北京進行不公開的談判,但由於達賴集團的「藏獨」本質不變,至今沒有成果,達賴本人也因不能「藏獨」而始終堅拒回國。一九九七年三月,達賴更首次訪問台灣,「藏獨」和「台獨」同流合污。達賴在台灣獲得巨額的「捐贈」,並成立台藏交流基金,二○○一年再度訪台。由此可知,不管達賴口頭上說得多麼動聽,其「獨」質不變。值得指出,西藏成為自治區已有四十多年歷史,哪裡還等達賴這些「藏獨」分子來尋求什麼「自治」不「自治」?假如達賴真心真意不搞「藏獨」,那麼,「回頭是岸」,達賴回國也就是了。

    美國國會和美國總統如此「禮遇」達賴,又是白宮會見,又是授予平民最高榮譽的「金質獎章」,所為何來?一言蔽之,仍然不脫「反華」本色。白宮發言人說,「美國不支持西藏獨立」。試問,那又何必鄭重其事在白宮會見西藏「流亡政府」的「流亡領袖」?美國言行不一,又怎能騙得了人?白宮發言人又稱,中美關係涵蓋許多不同層面,是非常複雜的關係,美國認為兩國可以同時維持複雜但友好的關係。這一段話,聽起來還真有點「複雜」。白宮發言人所說的「複雜」,其中是否包括「不友好」的成分呢?美國對中國的取態,究竟是「友好」多於「不友好」,或是「不友好」多於「友好」呢?又或者,根本上是表面「友好」,而實質上「不友好」呢?看來,美國的對華政策,還真的夠「複雜」了。

    布什會見達賴,國會授予金章,從國際關係準則而言,都已涉及干涉中國內政。不過,美國長期以來干涉別國內政,已屬「家常便飯」,美國總統及一眾高官也已習以為常。近期十分顯著和人所皆知的例子,東歐數國的「橙色革命」就是了。以烏克蘭為例,當時參與「橙色」示威的人,據說每日均獲得美國或西歐國家某些「基金會」的津貼。換言之,這是參加者有收入的示威。據說,在香港也有類似的情形。但是,這一方法在中國內地行得通嗎?毫無疑問,絕對行不通。因此,美國就要利用達賴這樣的「國際名人」了。再說,美國既然把達賴捧成「宗教領袖」和「人權衛士」,又焉會不加利用?否則,花了那麼多的心血和金錢,豈不是白白浪費了?

    無意「回頭是岸」

    達賴如今年事已高(今年七十二歲),照說理應已經看透世情,他之所以成為「國際名人」,無非是「挾洋自重」而已。冷靜思考,假如離開了美國及西方「反華」勢力,達賴還有什麼?他又能扮演怎樣的角色?曾子曰:「受人者畏,予人者驕。」是則達賴畏美國,美國驕達賴。美國與達賴的關係就是如此,豈有他哉?

    大家還不妨探討一下達賴會不會「回頭是岸」?在達賴和布什會面後,達賴的特使說,「世人的確關心西藏,我們並未被忘懷。」他又明白表示:「達賴喇嘛不會消聲匿跡。」據此分析,至少到目前為止,達賴並無「回頭是岸」之意,當然他也沒有回國之意了。在達賴的有生之年,他會「幡然省悟」嗎?那是,希望如此。結果,等著瞧吧!

  6. 美國總統布什不顧中國政府的強烈反對和抗議,於10月16日公然在白宮「私下會見」西藏流亡分子達賴喇嘛,並於17日在國會山莊公開接見達賴及一起出席「頒獎儀式」。布什此舉是首次打破美國在任總統與達賴一起在公開場合露臉的禁忌,也是露骨支持達賴從事分裂中國罪惡活動的行徑。對此,中國外交部隨即提出嚴正抗議,譴責布什與達賴會晤,嚴重損害中美雙邊關係。

    鮮花插在牛糞上

    在此項所謂「頒獎儀式」上,布什與美國眾議院議長佩洛西一起將「榮譽勳章」頒發給達賴,並表揚達賴所謂「宣揚宗教和諧、擁護人權以及積極尋求與中國領導層的對話方式和平解決西藏問題所作出的努力」云云。這些冠冕堂皇的說詞,雖然給達賴臉上貼上一道光環,但卻與達賴的所作所為相差十萬八千里,簡直是把鮮花插在牛糞上!美國國會榮譽勳章是美國頒授給平民最高的榮譽,但布什政府卻竟把這一榮譽頒給一位長期流亡的「藏獨分子」。這是對美國人民的嚴重污辱。也是對13億中國人民蓄意的挑釁!人們不禁要問,布什政府居心何在?

    達賴喇嘛是何貨色?人們對此早已一清二楚。他是一個披著宗教外衣、死心塌地從事分裂中國活動的流亡政客,是中華民族的敗類!早在20世紀50年代末,他就發動西藏叛亂,在其分裂行徑遭到失敗後,隨即逃到印度,並在那裡設立「西藏流亡政府」。近半個世紀以來,他以頌揚宗教為名,四出活動,不遺餘力地在國際間公開鼓吹「西藏獨立」,強調所謂「西藏自治」,實際上是要將西藏的版圖從中國分裂出去。也因此,他早已成為西方勢力分裂中國的一隻重要棋子,早已與西方反華勢力沆瀣一氣,狼狽為奸。由此可見,無論布什政府如何為達賴粉飾,都掩蓋不了達賴破壞中國和平統一的真面目!

    更有甚者,達賴早在1997年3月就竄到台灣,與「台獨總後台」李登輝會面,一起幹著分裂中國的勾當。由此可見,達賴從來就沒有「積極尋求與中國領導層以對話方式和平解決西藏問題所作出的努力」,有的只是分裂中國的纍纍罪行和圖謀西藏永遠「獨立」的野心!這難道能像布什政府所說,達賴是在宣揚「宗教和諧」嗎?

    傷害中國人民感情

    布什自2000年上台以來,已經前後4次會見達賴。對於這次會見,白宮發言人說,沒有發布其兩人會面的照片,是「低調處理」。但紙是包不住火的。布什的一意孤行已經嚴重傷害中國人民的感情。因為西藏自古以來就是中國領土不可分割的一部分。布什雖多次表示,堅持一個中國原則,承認中華人民共和國政府是代表中國的唯一合法政府,但背地裡則與「台獨」分子陳水扁及「藏獨」分子達賴打得火熱,握手稱道,這一切,布什又怎能自圓其說?對此,正在北京參加中共17大的代表紛紛譴責布什會見達賴和頒獎給達賴。來自西藏的全國人大副委員長熱地,並要求布什應做對中美關係有利的事,不要做對中美關係、中美友誼和中國人民不利的事,不要干涉中國內政。熱地這一席話,代表了13億中國人民的心聲。

    另外,針對布什的挑釁言行,中國政府隨即決定不出席10月18日在柏林舉行的六國戰略會議(該會議重點討論對伊朗實行核制裁問題)。看來,中國的杯葛,明顯是對布什政府作出反制,以表中方對布什行徑的非常氣憤和非常不滿!

  7. 公子多情原唱:鳴茜 http://robokon1234567.hp.infoseek.co.jp/5080_MingSai.htm
    謝謝廁所長勾起童年記憶,原有 “公子多情"黑膠碟內有 “行快D喇喂" (Cant buy me love 中詞西曲),可惜幾次搬家失掉!

  8. 西藏無乜好講,講下中詞西曲

    搵到喇!

    上官流雲 – 行快啲啦 / 一心想玉人

    行快啲啦﹕﹕原曲為1963年Beatles的Can’t Buy Me Love。
    (J. Lennon / P. McCartney ﹐劉大道詞)

    行快啲啦喂 喇喂 行快啲啦喂
    我招呼果個丁老八 佢就夠肥夠辣塌
    週身鮮癩一撻撻 佢學啲狂人披頭髮
    一身污糟 不怕失禮 把口鬼咁滑
    睇真果對腳似鴨 佢條腰肥褲又狹
    痞響街邊揾野擦 佢唔食燒鵝食燒鴨
    切的又燒 斬隻豬腳 蝦碌點芥辣

    行快啲啦﹒喂 一於走去揾野擦
    行快啲啦2喂 大注挾喇
    死咯一對燒乳鴿 佢話最平四元八
    擦左呢餐揾拖拍 佢就連咀都唔抹
    幾蚊身家 一晚輸晒 皆因中發白

    行快啲啦喂 喇喂 行快啲啦喂

    一心想玉人﹕原曲為1963年Beatles的I Saw Her Standing There。
    (J. Lennon / P. McCartney, 劉大道詞)

    佢成日對我鬼咁親 講真就無句真
    睇佢咁斯文 真係想到我失魂
    談情共說愛 認真風韻
    噢 我一心想玉人
    呢佢個名叫亞珍 我愛佢珍珠都無咁真
    睇佢咁銷魂 著條鴛鴦綉花裙
    郎情共妾意 心心相印
    噢 我一心想玉人
    呢學唱相思引
    大跳週身幌 夢裡都高聲嗌 叫佢亞珍
    唔 相親愛不變心
    託亞三姑去說親
    佢話呢趟弊 亞珍已經嫁左人
    情人實已嫁 心都灰晒
    噢 一於走去轉過運
    一於走去轉個運

  9. 哈铂是殊仔的应声蟲、跟尾狗,应该学埋佢做两头蛇,一邊在政治上打壓中國,另一邊放宽留學、旅遊签證,大量吸纳人民币(外資)!

  10. If 哈珀官式接見達賴,無錯,
    he should meet the aboriginals, such as those in Caledonia, talk to them, initiate the process to upgrade aboriginal reserves to autonomy territories, and ultimately hand all the lands back to the aboriginals. Why?
    Check
    http://www.economist.com/world/la/displaystory.cfm?story_id=7911293

    In the 21st century, Globe and Mail newspaper, “Economically, socially, politically, culturally, we have come to accept a quiet apartheid that segregates, and thus weakens, native and non-native society". In 2004 the Canadian Taxpayers Federation described Canada’s Indian (isnt it stupid to continue to call aboriginals as Indian after wrongly identifiy the place as India for 500 years?) Act, and reserve system for native Indians, as “Apartheid: Canada’s ugly secret".
    The aboriginals should separate from Canada, since Canada treated/treats them so badly.

  11. 唉!呢隻鬼我見得多啦!每次係豐華聽緊的舊歌聽得都唔知幾滋味時,一陣間就無左,比呢隻鬼唱埋的淡茂茂嘢,真係無癮!!
    佢地以為好新鮮,其實我每次行過都媽媽聲,兼買都唔買嘢,
    仲見的中坑老坑就呻兩句,鬧佢隻鬼都唔知"食"左中國出產的豬都唔知幾多隻!否則都唔會咁投入啦又食又學"我愛你""你喜歡吃西人的香腸嗎?"
    豐華,超!比大統華打到無咩人幫襯,仲開門引鬼,死路一條,我一向都有係佢嗰到買嘢,依家無幫襯!!
    中國姑娘的豬比人鬼食哂啦!!的鬼話:佢地自己行埋嚟咋!free is good!
    ———–
    星倒

    華人超市新景象.洋人國語歌聲打動顧客

    本報記者
    「小城故事多,充滿喜和樂,若是你到小城來,收穫特別多……」鄧麗君這首《小城故事》的動人旋律,會勾起鄉愁,也會令每一位「豐華超市」或「大都會廣場」的顧客駐足聆聽,因為一位金髮碧眼的「老外」正在用清晰的國語在超市內現場演唱。 每逢周六顧客走進士嘉堡的「豐華超市」或萬錦市的「大都會廣場」,就會聽到一個純淨動聽的男聲在吉它的伴奏下演唱鄧麗君的歌曲。只聞其聲,未見其人的時候,還以為是商場里播放的音樂,但當忽然親眼見到這歌聲是來自一個金髮碧眼的「老外」在現場彈唱時,人們的腳步不由得停了下來,「他的確是用中文在演唱」!

  12. 超,多倫多的中文報紙,執左佢啦,環保呀!!大大叠,三二日就出呢出路,攪到通街通廁都係的免費報,係華人商場店鋪公廁全部都係呢的咁架垃圾!!
    環保呀!!
    無人買架,買都係個的老嘢,有屁用!!執左佢啦,環保呀!!

  13. In the context of Harper interviewing Dalai:

    Whether Dalai Lama is really fighting for Tibet’s independence or not; whether PRC has virtually committed genocide in some areas of Tibet in the past or not; whether some monasteries in Tibet were really transformed by the Chinese Red Army from places with only monks into deserted houses populated only with those monks’ skeletons or not (or, as what PRC said, it is just another “propaganda of the west"); whether peace-loving Tibetans should have complete autonomy despite its complex history of foreign occupations; whether the critics are right that Harper should treat our aboriginal people the way he treats Dalai Lama or not; and whether TAR (Tibet Autonomous Region) is really enjoying complete autonomy or not should not be the focus of our discussion now. The fact of the matter is: Canada’s prerogative right to interview anyone on Canadian soil should be respected by China. If China has been criticizing other countries of finger-pointing (指手畫腳) in regard to its internal affairs such as human rights abuse, why should it be doing the same thing to us?

    My advice to China is: Get lost. If you don’t like what we do, too bad, so sad!

  14. Canada by not doing hers justice to the aboriginals, how can anyone expect her to be sincerely wanted to help other countries’ dispute struggling folks? Was it just a Harper’s own personal show-off, or he actualy wanted it as a trump card when dealing with China (not really helping Dalai)?

  15. 喂嘩, 老廁, 晨早流流就已經咁火爆! 對報紙新聞咁多評語, 電台唔比番個聲音專欄比你做就嘥咗啦!!! 好似以前阿廸廸仔果個, 咩黃昏新聞後講果10分鐘, 說三道四, 老廁你都夠資格! 又咁好唱口喎, 係咩超級市場有個咁嘅老外咩? 點解我未撞過嘅! 咪好似喬寶寶咁!
    哎, 講起報紙, 今朝我一擘開眼見到現袋日報個頭版都仲嚇死我, 無啦啦爆個黃家海個樣出黎, 嚇死人咩, 頭條D字雞乸咁大, 一大清早就見到"性交"兩個字, 啋!! 洗眼都黎唔切! 好在我當年無比佢整我個鼻啫!
    喂不過當係比吓面阿達賴, 點都回你一句啦! 我就話哈珀仔冇錯啦! 我鐘意見邊個, 點解要見, 關你中國Q事? 咪煩啦, 咁叻咪又玩杯葛囉! 同樣, 你中國如果要接見拉登, 要官式接代塔里班, 恐怖國家, 加拿大都吹你唔漲, 係咪? 最多咪又杯葛埋你奥運咯! 可以點啫?

  16. 本來我唔講政治,不過借左人地地方係到吐口水,點都要有良心比返的嘢人先至啱!
    我見到呢條友雞腸一兩句,即刻認為佢呢點講得啱呀!佢真係啱呀!加拿大的白鬼政府搶左原住民的地,搶番嚟,然後就比救濟佢地,比佢地捉吓的海咩海咩,無比教育佢地呀!!無教育!!任佢地自生自滅,真係無人道架,無人道!

    劉左仔家良 // Oct 30th 2007 at 9:04 am

    Canada by not doing hers justice to the aboriginals, how can anyone expect her to be sincerely wanted to help other countries’ dispute struggling folks?

  17. 你發咩嘢神經呀!唔睇尤是可,一睇把鬼火!!

    獨孤佬野,去死啦你!!

    獨孤求丙 // Oct 30th 2007 at 9:02 am
    My advice to China is: Get lost. If you don’t like what we do, too bad, so sad!

    啱啱淨係比我睇到呢句野,爭你個加橙呀!我都話你地的所謂自由民主吹水華獸呀,你鍾意唔係加拿大開枝散葉咯!鬼理你呀,你都無根,唔好認係中國人咯,死去揾鬼妹生個鬼仔鬼女,溝吓溝吓,咁個中國種唔係淡左囉!你有你個套,講唔係講到夠咯,使咩嘢叫中國Get lost呀,咁無品,咁叫做自由民主,基本專重吓你反對對象的立場都無,我一睇到就把鬼火!本來唔幫拖都要落場媽媽你!
    人地大陸中國係開口反對你地分裂國家,任何一國國家都係咁架啦,魁北克省想獨立,唔通中國走去魁北克支持佢地獨立呀?掉返轉頭,你都媽媽聲啦!既然係要玩!好呀!
    我現在向中國政府,多倫多注加領事,全加拿大中國間碟政治評論員特工說客講:
    以其人之道,還諸其人之身!一於攪魁北克獨立,邀請魁獨人仕訪華,經濟外交支持魁獨脫離加拿大統治,但所有政治行情,一定要合法合理,全民投票下進行!推動魁北克全民投票是否魁獨!咁做法係體現民主自由!
    體現民主自由,促現魁獨全民投票!

    獨孤佬,滾開!見你一次,媽你一次!披了自由民主,進行粗暴侵犯中國內政,正一暴民!!

  18. 的老友上網見我今日把鬼火,中左邪,四圍鬧呢個嗰個,即刻叫我收口,未先比人拉!
    我同你地講呀,拉,唔係拉咯,坐監仲好,唔使做,有政府養,兩餐一宿一廁都有著落,唔使日日擔心月尾交呢交路!

  19. 佬塵!講完啦嗎?輪到我啦!
    我就啱啱同你相反!唔係話哈巴仔想做就做!係應做就去做!廣告都要改口號呀,何況話國家總理?
    加拿大你架?加拿大人比個權你做總理,係要你管理好國家,樣樣嘢以國家利益為首要呀嗎!唔係個人道德性格行為行先架!
    李家豪禽日就有做吓功課,睇吓的西報先至開口,所以呢點佢都提出左嚟!開始有的進步!
    我唔會好似你地討論時事咁話邊個錯唔錯?
    而係樣樣嘢都要多面睇!

  20. I agree with 人一個’s viewpoints. Plus, the essence of all foreign policies is nothing but how much “interests” a country can rake up through different degrees of engagements or disengagements. I would doubt Harper’s decision to meet Dalai Lama is entirely a matter of his liking or personal craving. Harper’s advisors would likely give him some pros and cons of meeting a controversial spiritual leader in the eyes of some peasant-run country.

    As 獨孤 bro stated, Chinese demands on Harper by interfering another country’s domestic affair was quite illogical. If Harper agrees and respects the spirit of non-interference with other country’s domestic affair, then he must not yield to China which basically meddled with Canada’s affair. So, To some degree, Harper actually “fulfilled” what China “wanted”.

    Domestically, Harper’s action has won him praises that he could stand up to another emerging economic power whose recent image was plagued with food/products recalls. That’s quite a contrast to his predecessors Jean Chretien and Paul Martin who played pilgrim to China and simply followed Clinton’s foreign policies to embrace China in order to improve her human rights records. In hindsight, both Prime Ministers failed to achieve anything and their foreign policies were ineffective. Now, I believe Harper realized that he would be more effective to press his agendas than just follow what Beijing wants. If Harper yields to Beijing, he will not have any room for negotiations in anything from trade to foreign policies.

    So, would China retaliate?
    Give me a break! Stop buying wheat/lumber/minerals/etc from Canada? Order Li Ka-Shing to divest in Husky Energy and dump all the CIBC shares? China needs Canadian resources as much as Canada does with Chinese goods and products.

    Sadly, the typical Chinese responses are so pathetic. Could they stop using statement like “hurting the feelings of the Chinese people”? May I ask if Beijing has taken any polls to ask her people that if their feelings are hurt at all or not by Harper’s action? Gosh, please don’t recycle the same script filled with emotions every time any one of the western democracies does something that does not appeal to China’s liking. Or I can’t help waiting to see how the Ottawa’s Consulate spokesperson will reuse the same script when Dalai Lama addresses our parliament in near future.

  21. 啱啱聽完華差講嘢,把鬼,咁既工,去邊到揾,講吓安全帶,又出糧,呢的根本係資本經濟主義社會係唔會咁樣發生!
    張五常要出嚟講吓嘢啦!"賣桔者言"

  22. 強姦音樂!!

    鄧麗君歌聲,人人皆知,連鄧伯伯都贊!
    條鬼唱嘢我聽過啦!咁好的音樂,比佢姦污左!
    星島的寫手都無用,隻耳都唔知聽咩嘢,"純淨動聽的男聲",?咁都得?
    唔怪得知無咩嘢好記者啦?有都走哂去日月報啦!
    仲有呀,無啦啦點會係新聞嚟架,係個星島網頁當新聞報導,真係的編輯都唔知識唔識做報紙?點為之新聞? 呢的咁架嘢,一睇就就知係賣廣告啦!快的倒啦!星倒星倒!嗰個口吃葉光光同埋笑騎騎簫同志,真係該妹咯!!

    華人超市新景象.洋人國語歌聲打動顧客

    本報記者
    「小城故事多,充滿喜和樂,若是你到小城來,收穫特別多……」鄧麗君這首《小城故事》的動人旋律,會勾起鄉愁,也會令每一位「豐華超市」或「大都會廣場」的顧客駐足聆聽,因為一位金髮碧眼的「老外」正在用清晰的國語在超市內現場演唱。 每逢周六顧客走進士嘉堡的「豐華超市」或萬錦市的「大都會廣場」,就會聽到一個純淨動聽的男聲在吉它的伴奏下演唱鄧麗君的歌曲。只聞其聲,未見其人的時候,還以為是商場里播放的音樂,但當忽然親眼見到這歌聲是來自一個金髮碧眼的「老外」在現場彈唱時,人們的腳步不由得停了下來,「他的確是用中文在演唱」!

  23. 老牛話泰山結左婚咯!!哈哈哈!叫佢返嚟係omni 2 “至潮第一耿騷"見吓我地呢的街坊啞!

  24. 喔呵! 塵廳長做移民廳長咯! 升職升職, 日里萬機, 一日千里, 為華人增光咯, 老廁你一定好高興喇, 哈, 哈, 哈!

  25. 佬塵!
    我點會高興呀?你叫你的仔女唔使讀書,學吓做文盲都可以做多元文化要見不同種族基本上講英文法文不同人仕廳長,你話幾好呢?
    使鬼花錢讀多倫多大學,皇后大學,讀埋的唔等駛中加關係政治課,多餘嚟讀,不如學吓加入少年自由紅巾黨,由少做起,話唔定未夠廿歲就做官添呀!!

    佬塵,快的叫的仔女去入黨,少年紅巾黨唔掂,入黨入得十年廿年,話唔定又係光宗耀祖,遺塵萬年,佳話流傳呀!
    哈!哈!哈!

  26. 老外唱小城故事係要當新聞架!
    1)厘D叫 “稀罕物兒",小農視野底下覺稀奇古怪,老外唱小鄧D歌喎,上次個「唐心蛋」Veronica Needa 響一本政經家豪同之華都講得一餐喇!即達賴喇嘛響美加D老外特別受歡迎, “稀罕物兒"呀嘛,黃皮膚喇嘛,講民主,仲識英文添!
    2)故鄉情意加自大自卑結: 響老家有個大山,識講相聲,哈巴哈巴!人離鄉賤,整番個老外唱小城故事,巴哈巴哈!

  27. 我唔係話人地唔識英文法文就去取笑人!絶對唔係!
    有咩咁出奇?唔識英文法文好正常!但如果你係要用佢地嚟揾食同埋嚟去幫人服務人,就唔係咁講!
    講得簡單的,就係連最基本申請入職資格你都無!因為你要用英文法文去了解明白溝通表達日日工作上面的所有事項,如果唔識,咁即係咩呀?你話比我知呀?
    咩嘢叫做橡皮圖張?嗱!成嗰版係到,係加拿大多倫多!唔好話香港的政客如何如何係橡皮圖張,自由民主制度吓都可以無形制造橡皮圖張架!學嘢啦!
    哈!哈哈!

  28. 安省移民廳廳長喎?
    的聽眾係咁打電話上去,話加快移民步伐,加強移民官審批水平,加快審批等候時間………..

    慳的啦!真係民眾係愚昩,無錯!

    呢的嘢,佢可以出聲,慳的啦!如果我係佢呀,日日係辦公室,一有人敲門,一有電話要接,嚇到備哥都無肉呀!精神緊張!都唔知點應對!!

    移民部的嘢,聯邦移民部攪哂嚟做架啦!安省呢嗰,唉,聯邦都唔係好想同佢傾,雞同鴨講,點死?

  29. 生活艱難!

    睇flyer慳錢!今日zeller賣檸檬牌洗潔精,原價係walmart都要$1.87一枝,今日zeller減價賣99仙一枝,每人限買6枝!
    奇景呀奇景呀!8點鐘開門,8點3去到,已經賣得七七八八,老老嫩嫩一齊去上貨,無哂啦,個架無哂啦;佢地都買完比錢行返出嚟啦!

    好彩,我都攞到6枝,差唔多慳6蚊架啦!即係最低人工8蚊,我做左一個鐘頭嘢!

    窮人愈泥愈多呀!!!

  30. We all committed a big mistake here. Tibet is NOT part of China. Tibet was invaded with armed forces by China in 1950 . It is an illegal occupation. This is a FACT. Please go back to your history books.

  31. 劉左仔家良

    You wrote:

    1. “Before 6/4, I didn’t think I was a Chinese, after 6/4, I read about China stuff, so become a Chinese”. I am very curious about the mentioned China stuff. Could you be so kind to tell me what China stuff you did read to transform you back to a Chinese?

    2. “The aboriginals should separate from Canada, since Canada treated/treats them so badly”. How about Tibetans in China? You appear to be very familiar with the Tibet issue. Could you tell me how well the Chinese Communist government treated Tibetans after taking sovereignty of Tibet?

  32. Hi cytodex,

    As Leader of Canada, Mr Harper should meet with the Aboriginals instead of acting like the movie stars to meet Dalai. For detail why, scroll up. How can anyone expect such hypocritical action can help Dalai?

    Retaliation? Are you folks sick? We are both Chinese & Canadian. What do we gain from retaliation?

    I don’t want to see Chinese Govt retaliates say by meeting with and supporting the Aboriginals in Canada & USA to help them to separate from the Gov’ts who stole their land & mistreated them. Estimated 2 million to 100 million American indigenous people died due to European colonization. Genocide happened a lot such as the Pequot War (1637) and USA campaigns waged against tribes in California starting in the 1850s.

    After all, the Aboriginals theoritical own all the land, if they separate from Canada & USA, I will have no Canada to live in.

    And to reply your comment on Martin Lee thread, seems it is not me not doing the analysis. You point about Iraq is totally not what the Iraqi is thinking. CIA directly sent out agents to train Bin Laden, it WAS NOT just USA policy. You have this Western Counrties are better mindset. This is your level of understanding, I respect it. Nothing I want to altk about further.

    Hi Didgeridoo,

    This 1951 invasion thing, is from Western countries perspective. They did not mention anything right before it. Here is the history you may want to read:
    This is the 14th Dalai, who the West, including Britain, accuse China not giving him human right to go back. Do you know what happened to the 13th Dalai? In 1904 the British invaded Lhasa, killed 1300 to 5000 Tibetans, the 13th Dalai fled to Mongolia. It was the British who greedily invaded Tibet and flushed out the 13th Dalai, even though the big India was already a British colony, the British still want more colony. Then in the 40s came the USA’s Office of Strategic Services (pre-CIA) to stir up Tibet. In the 50s, CIA shipped weapons to Tibet to try partition it from China, failed and the 14th Dalai fled.
    Tibet was part of China since Ming Dynasty 1571. Compare USA took Texas over from Mexico in 1836, and nowadays any Mexican try to enter into Texas will become illegal immigrants. Human right?

  33. Hi Cat Lover ,

    Have you ever been to Tibet? Please tell me how bad it is in Tibet right now? Please tell me what had you learnt from the feeling of people leaving in Tibet right now? Please tell me which Chinese Policy is treating people in Tibet badly. I’m all ears to learn from you. I don’t want to agrue, I want to learn from you.

    Canada & USA both treat the Aboriginals very badly. However, I’m selfish, I don’t want the Aboriginals to do any separation, coz then u & me have no place to live?🙂

  34. Some of my co-workers, they are Aboriginals, they don’t want to stay in reserves, coz no job, even though & govt provides tax free liquor. So in the reservers, it is all about getting drugged & drank. They all had a card to proof they are Aboriginals, when they buy stuff, if I remember correctly , it is GST free, not sure about PST. Do you know what is on the card? The photo, the name, number, and written on the card- “Indian". After 500 years of wrong naming, this is quite unrespectful. Now, for these folks to get a living, they have to be assimilated with Canadian, cos in the reserves, there is no job.

    Is there no job in Tibet? People cannot make a living? Does the railway not bringing in more opportunity to Tibet?

    If the Western countries did all these bad things during exploration & colonization, and even now in Iraq, you folks still love them, need them to help out with China. I personally see China is improving, of course, we need to voice out more about the bad things to get more changes, but I would not invite other countries government to help out. Other countries’ people to help out is fine, we all should help out each others, but not the government level.

  35. 急事,慢慢的說.
    大事,清楚的說.
    小事,幽默的說.
    没把握的事,謹慎的說.
    没發生的事,不要胡說.
    做不到的事,别亂說.
    做不到的事,别亂說.
    傷害人的事,不能說.
    討厭的事,對事不對人的說.
    開心的事,看場合說.
    傷心的事,不要見人就說.
    别人的事,小心的說.
    自己的事,聽聽自己的心怎麼說.
    現在的事,做了再說.
    未來的事,未來再說.
    如果,對我有不滿意的地方,請一定要對我說!

  36. 死咯死咯, 我發覺我睇下睇下阿左仔良果D雞腸文, 越睇越覺得又幾頭頭是道, 開始被洗腦, 認同佢嘅道理喇喎! 係喎, 講來講去, 都係因為D鬼佬賤! 又好似真係喎! 唉我都話我塵廳長耳仔軟架啦! 好啦我暫時加盟左仔良果邊啦! 睇你地邊個反對派又講D道理出黎救番我過第二邊!
    嘩乜老廁今日咁熱烈, 咁多留言! 99仙支洗潔精, 又真係好抵喎! 唓, 搶貨有幾奇吖, 加拿大就算唔係窮人都一樣咁貪便宜, 寒酸架啦, 越有錢果D越寒呀, 真係唔係呃你, 我見過幾多起度嘅所謂上等人, 上流社會人, D咩富婆, D行徑真係嚇死你呀, 連買廁紙, 都要將個價錢除番開包嘢入面每一卷有幾多格紙, 逐隻牌子比較睇吓邊隻抵呀! 比佢知道有99仙支洗潔精真係仆倒去同你搶呀!

  37. 唉!西藏好遠,好隔涉!
    又土皇帝,又喇嘛,又農奴,又達賴,又班禪,又解放軍,又51年十七條協議,又英,美,印,又下毒,又59解放,又達賴出走,又互自稱民主……………………………..

  38. Hi Folks,

    Sounding it off here is gd to let go our feeling. However, I also want the English newspaper know keep saying 1951 China invaded Tibet is wrong. So I submitted some of my saying here to The Star’s 10/30 article http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/271622 for its “factual error". Western minded folks never learnt, always think they “discovered" new lands & continents, when Aboriginals already lived there 10s of thousands of years with population of about 3 million to 200 million all over the America & Carribeans. Of course, 90% of them died due to the “great exploration". The only good offer the colonization did might be offer free ticket to ship millions of Africa over to America, thought the Afircan folks might not willing to.
    Western minded folks always think they are saving the earth for all the good courses, such as supporting Dalai, but forgot what they are treating the Aboriginals right now, right here in Canada and in America. Hyprocrites.

  39. 塵兄,入場睇波千萬唔好埋錯堆,曼联球迷坐在車仔球迷堆,分分鐘被人打一身,都係做睇TV球迷或者做球証好D,事但幫邊隊都唔化算,除非你係某隊超級球迷,否則隨時中招。

  40. Only “pony" of the communist party of China will say that Tibet is part of China. It is totally ridiculous!!! Can someone out there name all the governors sent to Tibet by the Emperors of China?

  41. The Lineage of Dalai is both king of Tibet & a religion leader. Only feudal, old fashioned minded folks will support a king to rule over any land. I support any country in the world to become true democracy (not one party, not controlled by big corporations). Why do we need to put a king back to a place called Tibet? If you think a king can do a place good, why do you think the one party China, as least is not run by a kingdom lineage, cannot be better than a kingdom? Of course, I am not saying it is good, coz I explained I want true democracy.

  42. 西藏歷史并非如大家所想像一樣。如下文章可作參考,資料都算豐富。
    http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%A5%BF%E8%97%8F%E6%AD%B7%E5%8F%B2

    本地年輕人冇所謂大中國嘅包袱,崇拜達賴喇嘛嘅大有人在。達賴嘅著作都算幾暢銷連Costco都有得賣,而且達賴演講都經常爆滿。話達賴係宗教領袖都唔算冇根據。

  43. 「正義」大俠發言令人如此驚訝

    何以有這種嘔心言論?

  44. 劉左仔家良:

    According to your discretions, the rest of the world should not budge into China’s affairs because they are either (1) hypocritical or (2) full of their own injustices. In the case of Canada, Harper should rather rectify and fulfill all the treaties signed by our ancestors, instead of pulling a publicity stunt here. Right?

    As your knowledge of the world history is so board and deep, I am still waiting for you to enlighten me by addressing Cat Lover’s question on the “treatment" Tibetan received from the Chinese. Let me guess, it’s because the Tibetan have engaged activities to divide the sacred land of China. Unlike the Chinese, our lame Canadian government has not got the guts to send in troops to crush the skulls as wells as the hopes of Quebecer intending to subvert the Canadian sovereignty.

    Seriously, the aboriginals still suffer with social injustices and discriminations. But, they are relatively trivial in comparison to what the Tibetan have been subject, under the constant Chinese suppression and brutality.

    I know you love to argue. But just for the sake of arguing, your arguments do not make your points valid and convincible. Although you write in English, your mentality is very well in tune with those from the communists and leftists.

  45. Loser!

    The following statements are totally crap! Loser!

    cytodex // Oct 31st 2007 at 8:13 pm

    I know you love to argue. But just for the sake of arguing, your arguments do not make your points valid and convincible. Although you write in English, your mentality is very well in tune with those from the communists and leftists.

  46. Someone said Tibet had a “bad" system. Can I ask if your own home/house is in a mess, can I get in,
    without your consent, to fix it ?????

  47. Pls scroll up a bit, I said “I support any country in the world to become true democracy (not one party, not controlled by big corporations). " I add one more here not by regligion KING.

    According to CYTODEX, that make me “in tune with those from the communists and leftists." This is funny, pls enlight me how it can be?

    I do not like to label people or call name. I think old time communist comrades did this all the time🙂

  48. Hi cytodex,

    I ‘d like to know how your mental process is regarding this “our lame Canadian government has not got the guts to send in troops to crush the skulls as wells as the hopes of Quebecer intending to subvert the Canadian sovereignty. " What do you gain and what situation can you improve by saying senseless thing like this? A lot of Aboriginals was already killed in the whole America, I said there was " population of about 3 million to 200 million all over the America & Carribeans. Of course, 90% of them died due to the “great exploration”. "
    Is someone so sick as to want to get more innocent people hurt just for one’s arguement sake?

    Please do not just for argument sake and said you support Dalai. Please listen Dalai, he is really right about we should be in peace. I am 100% with Dalai on this.

  49. 劉左仔家良,

    1. You stated that you liked arguing. Why don’t you want to argue this time?

    2. Don’t avoid my question! I was asking you what the Chinese communist government had done to Tibetans after she took occupation of Tibet in ‘50s. Although the living conditions/standard of Tibetans may have been improved, can the history of that part be erased? Moreover, everything/everywhere has been/is improving. Can Tibet’s match with that of the rest of the world?

    3. Obviously, you have double standard. There is nothing wrong for anyone to protect the goodwill of his motherland. However, avoiding to criticize or even mention her wrongdoings is not a right way of a patriot should do because this won’t help her improve but will only spoil her.

  50. Hi Cat Lover ,

    I read all comments here, seems u missed some I’ve written, and then you continue to ask & argue🙂

    ***********************************
    劉左仔家良 // Oct 30th 2007 at 11:17 pm

    Hi Cat Lover ,

    Have you ever been to Tibet? Please tell me how bad it is in Tibet right now? Please tell me what had you learnt from the feeling of people leaving in Tibet right now? Please tell me which Chinese Policy is treating people in Tibet badly. I’m all ears to learn from you. I don’t want to agrue, I want to learn from you.

    Canada & USA both treat the Aboriginals very badly. However, I’m selfish, I don’t want the Aboriginals to do any separation, coz then u & me have no place to live?
    ************************************

    Did you say history can’t be erased? What about the Aboringinals’ history? Can the Aboriginals in the reserves match your living standard? Are you having double standard that you just want to support dissents from place you had not been to , and in where people you have not talked to?
    Whereas, you don’t care about our fellow Canadian right here- the Aboriginals? That you think I mention them is wrong?

    I support Dalai regarding his peace statement. Things in this world are not just b/w or binary, I support Dalai on some aspects, and don’t support others. Of course, I dont suport hypocritc Harper doing double std like you to neglect doing real improvement on Aboriginals but just mouth wording support Dalai.
    For Chinese Govt’s policies, and same for Canadian Govt’s policies, some are good some are bad. I dont support Canada involve in Afghan war, but I support big time on tax reduction.
    I’ve said (3rd time here, u really need to scroll up) – I said “I support any country in the world to become true democracy (not one party, not controlled by big corporations). ” I add one more here not by regligion KING. "

    Pls read me – I don’t support an one party China. But in the interim, if the party is doing good thing to improve the country, I support it. This world is not binary, right?

    Btw, I also respect and support your opinion on critizing Chinese Govt to make her improve, but you need to improve on you arguement with facts & logic so that your opinion can be taken by your target audience, else it will be a blank bullet.🙂

  51. 劉左仔家良,睬夠佢,time to stop for 睬夠佢Cat Lover & cytodex!

  52. Some folks here like to argue for argument sake, so do I. But I am more skillful, I use facts, analogy (which you folks think is diverting the topic, which is not, this is one of the arguement skill) If you cannot handle parrallel analogy, hehe wait until I use multithread analogies🙂

    But labelling people and calling names, seems not open minded, nor democratic, and showing you are losing the arguement. If one cannot accept anyone saying things not to your liking, and keep repeatedly asking me the same senseless b/w questions which I’ve already tried to answer. Then why you expect the Chinese One Party Govt can do better than you?

    You folks labelled me, call me names, I took it lightly, even took the name called to become my name in this blog- 劉左仔家良. Who is more open minded in accepting opinion evidentially?🙂 Take it easy, nite nite

  53. 我相信中國會用行動來証明達賴果D係好’on’居嘅瑤言嚟架!

  54. 劉左仔家良,

    Further to my message to you instant, I also have a query. You did write these contradictory comments:

    A. Oct. 30, 8:20pm : The aboriginals should separate from Canada, since Canada treated/treats them so badly.
    B. Oct. 30, 11:17pm: Canada & USA both treat the Aboriginals very badly. However, I’m selfish, I don’t want the Aboriginals to do any separation, coz then u & me have no place to live?

    You may argue with reference to the words ‘should’and ‘want’. That will be fine. On the other hand, how could you relate yourself to aboriginal? You and I are immigrants not aboriginals. Even if your conclusion that Canada treated/treats aboriginals so badly is correct, do you also think that Canada also mistreated immigrants? In addition , if immigrants don’t like the government of the country they reside, they will move to the other place. They will never ask for separation, i.e., continue to stay in the place with different country name. You appear to be confusing.

    P.S. I read your 11:08pm message. You are still avoiding my question by shifting the talking point to aboriginals in Canada. Have I ever mentioned aboriginals in Canada so far? Concentrate on the history of Tibet from ’50s to present.
    I’m not forcing you to say any bad words about the existing Chinese Communist government, but I’m pretty sure that you know what she did in Tibet in ’50s according to my observations that you appear to be very familiar with that part of history.
    I did read your statement – ‘don’t support an one party China’ However, under the present situation, is it possible to have a multi-parties political environment if all of us act the way you do? You think China is improving. Well, in some aspects, it is correct. However, can she improve further that the improvement doesn’t only benefit a comparatively small group of people and in a faster pace?

  55. Aboriginals owned all the land in America, if they go separate, meaning whole America is their, where do we live? Got it?

    Why do you keep avoiding to answer such simple questions? Are you too scare to let people know you are shooting blanks on place you have never been, and people you have never talked?
    ***************************
    劉左仔家良 // Oct 30th 2007 at 11:17 pm

    Hi Cat Lover ,

    Have you ever been to Tibet? Please tell me how bad it is in Tibet right now? Please tell me what had you learnt from the feeling of people leaving in Tibet right now? Please tell me which Chinese Policy is treating people in Tibet badly. I’m all ears to learn from you. I don’t want to agrue, I want to learn from you.
    ****************************

    With your blank shooting skill, pls enlight me as how your fact-lacking & arguement skill-lacking statements can improve the China situation?

  56. 假如不能拿出真實的事例,用什麽辯論技巧也沒有用,因為事實勝於雄辯。

  57. 廁所長: 有好幾個問題想請教你老人家, 不過寫兩句又要起身走人喇, 咁聽日先問啦。 不過勞氣完, 保重身體, 著多件衫寒先好呀。預防勝於治療吖嗎。

    聽番 archive, 聽到呢位馬先生 (馬見臘?), 真係又頂唔順要講兩句。 佢走去抗議達賴到訪, quoted 中國咁話哈珀係『强暴式干涉中國內政』, 又話達賴說謊, 中國紅衛兵五十年代只殺西藏十萬人, 唔係達賴所講嘅五十萬云云! 呢位馬生, 肯定如果唔係共產黨派嚟「註」(蛀牙個蛀) 守加拿大嚟臥底, 就係 communist sympathizer. 因為:

    1) 達賴就算講錯, 紅衛兵冇喺西藏屠殺五十萬人, 但亦有數十萬:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet

    即係如果有人將某人八族都殺哂, 之後佢有一日講話有人『誅殺佢九族』, 你會唔會專登揸車去抗議話: 『邊有九族啫, 殺你八族之嗎?』

    西藏人口當時如果真只有一百萬人, 而紅衛兵可以將數十萬人殘暴地殺死, 可見西藏人何等勇敢抵坑外敵, 共產黨紅衛兵幾咁冇人性將一個國家嘅人口差不多滅族 ….真係寫到呢道嬲到手都震埋….. .~~~..~..~~!!!! 呢個馬先生還可以去抗議, 試問人性何在!!!!

    2) 達賴今次以佛門專者身份訪加, 並冇談政治, 中國抗議乜嘢呢? 就算談政治, 從那時那日開始, 係咪世界上邊d人中國睇唔過眼嘅, 我哋就要買中國怕, 不能接見呢?

    簡直荒天下之大荒謬!!!

  58. 唔好意思, 証明真係手震, 寫錯。 應該係:

    簡直荒天下之大謬!!!

  59. Eagle Leung,

    1. Please calm down. The contributor who first called you 劉左仔家良is 塵廰長who seems to be neutral in the topics being discussed. Those who don’t have the same viewpoints as yours haven’t created any name for you. Please don’t mix things up.

    2. Now I understand what you mean by aboriginals’ separation from non-aboriginals. It seems to be that if aboriginals ask for separation, all non-aboriginals have to leave the continent. What an interesting concept! But you once wrote, aboriginals should separate from Canada. It gives readers (at least me) an impression that aboriginals are to be leaving the rest of those currently reside in Canada to form another country/party.

    3. Why did you keep asking me ‘have I visited Tibet and talked to Tibetans? Why are these so important? I have never as’ked you these questions.

    4. It is not my intention to accuse Chinese communist government of her wrongdoings in Tibet in the current discussions. I just want you to give the readers a balance of views in the Tibet issue. It is not difficult to find out those policies/actions taken by the Chinese communist government which were not welcomed by Tibetans. You appear to be good at information searching. You would probably have read the information which is known to me. That is why I haven’t mentioned any of these so far but just asked you to tell us. Nevertheless, if it will make you feel more comfortable, I would like to recommend the following link which provides valuable information.
    http://www.xizang-zhiye.org

  60. 劉左仔家良:

    I “regret” that your feelings have been hurt probably by (1) my allegedly name-calling or (2) your misunderstanding.

    First, on name-calling or labeling, don’t you just use the name “左仔” as part of your blog name? Now, you called me labeling when using leftist – a term, in my opinion, more neutral than “左仔”.

    Second, all your arguments allure to the conclusions that the West are not much better than the rest including the communism. Unless you subconsciously think that communists (as those communists in China) are nothing but thieves, propagandistic liars, and dictators, I think you owe yourself an explanation. After all, I just pointed out your thought process has a great deal of commonality that can be found in leftists and communists. I don’t think you are yet qualified to become one as I still believe you genuinely love China, a patriotic act which in history has proved to be quite lethal.

    I am through here in this thread. Perhaps, I can start “arguing” in another topic soon.

    Cat Lover:

    For some people who can not read between the lines, you and I are wasting time here by “shooting blanks”. Instead of addressing to the question of how Tibetan have been treated, you, in return, received more questions about if you have ever been in Tibet and witnessed something bad.

    Don’t hold your breath for the answers…

    Anyway, being allowed to speak freely is a good testimony that this country along with a few other western democracies are much tolerant than the one he loves. In that country, our IP addresses are already captured and surrendered to the authority.

    To end, I recall a joke I read many years ago in Reader’s Digest. The story goes something like an American speaks to then a Soviet that they can stand in front of the White House and loudly protest/criticize the President without worrying about any consequence. The Soviet replied that they could do the same – they could criticize the American President in Kremlin. At least, Kremlin was more a bit more opened than the nowadays Tianmen Square.

  61. 達賴喇嘛如是說: http://chinese.dalailama.com/page.7.htm
    達賴喇嘛經常被問到的問題
    問:你如何看自己?
    答:我視自己為普通的佛教出家人。我覺得這就是真正的我,我知道達賴喇嘛做為一個暫時的佛教領袖,是人為的制度。只要人們接受達賴喇嘛,他們就會接受我,但身為一個出家人,則是我自己的身份,沒有人能改變這個事實,在我內心深處,我一直把自己當做出家人,甚至在我的夢中,所以很自然地,我會覺得自己更是位宗教人士。平常生活中,我可以說,我約用了百分之八十的時間在靈性的活動上,另外百分之二十則用於西藏事務。這些靈性或宗教的生活,是我所了解且大感興趣的事,我對祂有信心,所以仍想對其多學習。關於政治方面,我沒有當代的教育背景,而只有些許經驗,對於在這樣領域沒有相當準備的人而言,是很大的責任。這並不是我自願參與的活動,而是因為這是西藏人民對我的希望和責任所要求我必須去完成的一項任務。

    問:你會是最後一任達賴喇嘛嗎?
    答:達賴喇嘛此一職務是否繼續,完全由西藏人民的希望所決定。我於一九六九年時就已明白宣示,甚至在一九六三年,也就是流亡後四年,我們就按照民主制度,制定了憲法草案。這部憲法清楚提到在全體大會三分之二的投票下,可以革除達賴喇嘛的職權,就現況來看,達賴喇嘛的制度仍有益於西藏文化及其人民。因此,若我過世,我想西藏人民將選出另一位達賴喇嘛,在未來,若此職務不再有存在的意義或價值,且大環境也有所改變時,它的機制就將停止。就我個人而言,達賴喇嘛此職務已符合了自身的目的。到最近,自二零零一年始,我們已有位民選的首席部長(Kalon Tripa),他管理政府的每日例行事務,同時負責大眾的政治組織。我半開玩笑且半認真的說,現在的我是呈現半退休的狀態。

    問:你認為終將回歸西藏嗎?
    答:是的,我仍樂觀其成。若把今日中國與其十年或二十年前相較之下,中國現今正處變革時期,已有相當大的巨變,她已不再孤立,是全球整體的一部分。
    世界性的相互依存,特別在全球經濟與環境上, 使得沒有任何一個國家能維持孤立,此外,我並不追求與中國分離,而堅持中道的方式,也就是西藏仍在中華民國共和國之內,也同時享有高度自治,並堅信此作法對西藏及中國人都是有利的,我們西藏人可藉助中國的援助發展西藏,而同時保有自身的獨特文化,包括宗教和精緻的環境。透過和諧地解決西藏問題,這也有助於西藏的統一與安定。
    問:中國人最近提到下任達賴喇嘛將出生於西藏,並由中國人選出,您有何看法?
    答:若西藏仍維持現狀,我將出生於西藏以外而不受制於中國官方控制的其他地區,這是合乎邏輯的。輪迴轉世的根本目的是接續前世未完成的工作,所以,若西藏問題仍未獲解決,我自然會流亡於外地,繼續我的任務。當然,中國會選出他們自己的「達賴喇嘛」,而西藏人將依據傳統選出屬於自己的「達賴喇嘛」,這將與現今班禪喇嘛的情形類似,即有位經中國指派的班禪喇嘛,也有我所認證的。前一位被推舉出的目的是為服務其主人;另一位是所有西藏人民心目中所接受的班禪喇嘛。

  62. Cytodex,

    Thanks for your advice.

    The exchange of messages between Eagle Leung and me is very strange. The core of the discussion seems to be the attitude towards presentation of one’s ideas. He ususally presented his ideas with many reference and quotations, but most of them relates to what U.S. , Britain and other countries ‘ political activities in other countries. I responded to his messages in good faith, hoping him to provide us with a much balance of information. However, he seemed to be irritated. Probably my English is not good enough to show my intention. However, this is another good example that people don’t like to hear any ideas/suggestions which are not in line with theirs. Even though I tried to show my respect to him from the very beginning. I responded to his messages in English and apologized for my using Chinese in one of my messages only because he wrote in English. It is no doubt that he understands Chinese. The first time I addressed him as 劉左仔家良together with his English name, Eagle Leung because I don’t think people like to be labelled. However, all these friendly actions are useless and he still seems to have been irritated. He claims himself an opened mind person, but his vulnerability to facing different points of view tells the other story.

  63. Cat Lover:

    Trust me, your language proficiency is more than just “okay". Unlike me, you showed good intention and prudence. It’s probably my typical writing style that irritated a few individuals, as demonstrated by the feedback I’ve received.

    Sadly, the subject of Dalai Lama’s visit to Canada and China’s response has been obscured and converted into secondary or irrelevant discussions. Even that, we could have all calmly discussed it from historical, cultural and political viewpoints.

    It’s so unfortunate that the exchanges became a test for one’s composure than ability to reason.

  64. This planet belongs to Dinosaurs, all human heings should leave!

  65. China is “violently" intervening Canada’s internal affairs……the way they like to accuse other countries…..

  66. Canada is “violently” intervening PROC’s internal affairs……the way they like to accuse other countries…..

  67. 生果報班茂利唔知點解一向唔妥中國, 呢 D 咁垃圾評論, 可以不理!!!

  68. Japan belongs to Mick Karn, David Sylvian should leave!

  69. 達賴準備走恅喇—唔好到時見到達賴隻癲狗周圍走囉

  70. 和諧民主派 delay no more:

    可唔可以話我知點解叫達賴喇嘛做『癲狗』呢? 佢癲喺邊呢? 共產黨搶人土地, 奪人家園, 殺數十萬手無寸鐵嘅僧侶, 還要將達賴喇嘛趕出自己家鄉, 再趕盡殺絕, 咁你話邊個先係癲狗呢?

    吓?

  71. Cat Lover 君:

    Cytodex 兄講得好, 你的中英文能力甚佳。 老實說, 有些人小弟不是不想回應, 但有時真是摸不著頭腦他/她們想表達甚麽, 讀數次之後亦終於惟有放棄。

    其實 Eagle Leung/劉左仔家良的理據通常亦將有爭議性的提目將自己代入另一方, 但往往那一方就是善良如閣下般一定不會取向的罷了。

  72. wow, Japan’s fan in Toronto!! Long live the 80’s!

  73. David Sylvian is touring Russia, got sick, canceled some concerts. Japan and Rush were the popular bands in Toronto high school scene in the 80s.

  74. 求丙兄:

    從我的觀察/直覺, Eagle Leung先生是一位愛搜集資料和願意去思考和有個人見解和立場的人. 他熱衷地表現自己對某些事件的熟悉和立場. 從這一點來看, 他應該是充滿熱情的年青人. 對不同自己見解的言論, 存著抗拒的心態, 在參與討論的留言者中, 非常普通, 不值得介意, 尤其是愛思考的年青人. 只要求真的誠意不滅, 胸襟自會漸漸寛廣, 容納多角度的意見了.

  75. 達賴追求人權與和平? 相信不用集體回憶也知道,在達賴主政西藏時,西藏是一個政教合一的獨裁社會,同時也是一個農奴社會,貧窮的農民可以因欠下地主幾斤糧食,而被地主挖去雙眼。 不如說說達賴幾時有實踐過人權與和平? 達賴幾時有玩過一人一票!

  76. Cat Lover 君:

    絕對同意, 只要有獨特見解, 就是廁所長的文章其實有時亦相當有閱讀價值。 只不過有時要類似「lun 骨」一般, 辛苦小小要將肉和骨分開才有意思吧。

    但最不能忍受就是有人顛倒是非, 憑空亂中傷別人, 這樣的行為, 小弟如有空落墨就一定不能坐視的。

    集體回憶君:

    達賴追求人權與和平, 是現在式。 以前西藏政教合一, 是一獨裁/農奴社會, 是過去式。 在上一兩個世紀, 就是西方社會, 「人權」亦是冼見的概念, 自由民主在亞洲亦沒有甚麽國家奉行, 又何況一個與世隔絕, 被視為「香格里拉」的地方呢? 人權與和平, 基本上和政教合一沒有直接的關係, 但間接就非常大關係。 民主國家可以隨時代及環境而立法改變常規,同性戀合法化就是最好的例子了。 但一被宗教的金科玉律規條限制, 就會缺乏彈性。 宗教規條是從上而下而定的, 而民主社會法律通常是由大多數人民而定的。

    還有一點就是達賴喇嘛以前未被流放之前, 只是十零廿歲的小伙子, 住在深宮入面, 對農民被虐待亦未必知情。 所以將國家所有不平事「入哂佢數」亦未必一定公平。

    所以現再的達賴喇嘛是以佛家思想追求和平及人權, 應該是不可致疑的。

  77. 求丙兄回應集體回憶君有關達賴喇嘛的論據,絕對正確,達賴喇嘛被流放的幾十年都沒有放棄追求西藏自治及人權,是值得尊敬的。
    P.S. 本人不是佛教徒,也不是支持藏獨。

  78. 足球迷兄:

    多謝贊同小弟嘅見解。 小弟對佛亦可算有小小緣份, 但只嘆生性愚昧, 對於戒絕貪、嗔、癡, 及齋戒各樣都未能做到, 所以如自認佛教徒實在有損佛教名譽。

    不過至於藏獨, 雖然現在西藏據說真係繁榮過中共未入侵之前, 尤其是青藏鐵路已落成, 貿易及文化交流亦一定會更頻密。 但西藏人民一向純樸, 文化同漢族人有很大差異, 所以獨立與否, 應該由西藏人民, 不是中共決定的。

  79. 求丙兄:

    說得好, 是否獨立, 應由西藏人民自己決定.

    另外一個盲目支持中共現政權者常以之為理據, 反對藏獨(或其類似的話題), 西藏人現在的生活較以前(當然亦較中共入藏前)攺變, 不應再談獨立.
    1. 全世界都已進步和在進步中, 難道西藏要原地踏步嗎? 西藏的繁榮進步較之其他的地方怎樣? 更好, 一樣還是較差?
    2. 人不是動物, 物質生活不是他們唯一追求的東西. 反之, 生活質素攺善了, 更會對精神和心靈上富足有所渴求.

  80. rain tree crow: in Hong Kong, Japan and Depeche Mode were the most popular, they both had concerts at Baptist College.

  81. Japan was disbanded in 1982, reunioned as Rain Tree Crow in 1991 for one CD. I watched Japan in Baptist College Concert Hall in 80 or 81, I assume this was the concert you referred to. I watched David Sylvian concert in Toronto in 2003. His brother, Steve Jensen, was doing the drum in that concert. I think David lives in Maine, US, right now. I’ve almost all of David’s solo CDs, but I haven’t got Mick’s yet.

  82. China is intervening other countries’ internal policy, they should be condemned.


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