發文作者:kahoo | 十月 5, 2007

《安省省選主流侯選人辯論戰》

辯論主持: 李家豪、李立本

主辦單位: 大多市華商總會
合作傳媒: OMNI-TV / 多倫多第一台

3政黨非華裔候選人再度碰頭 省選辯論會舌劍唇槍火藥味濃

Source: Sing Tao Daily

來自士嘉堡-愛靜閣選區3大政黨的非華裔候選人再度碰頭,昨天出席由大多市華商總會主辦的「安省省選辯論大會」,就華人關心的議題包括經濟、交通、就業及治安等問題發表意見,期間亦出現針鋒相對、舌劍唇槍的場面,批評對手政黨不善政策。

是次參與「安省省選辯論大會」的3大政黨候選人及其翻譯員,分別是:自由黨的菲臘斯及Han Dong、保守黨的John Del Grande及Franco Ng,還有新民主黨的Yvette Blackburn及譚潤棣。由於3位候選人為非華裔人士,為方便市民了解他們發表的意見,由各黨陪同出席的翻譯員以中文即時傳譯。

辯論大會分為多個部分,首先是各候選人有1分鐘時間自我介紹及其政綱,菲臘斯提出自由黨政府執政後已出現平衡預算,降低失業率;John Del Grande說會繼續改善赤字問題,讓省民安居樂業;而Yvette Blackburn表示如果新民主黨執政後,會即時提高最低時薪至10元,加強醫療及教育撥款。

其後大會2位主持人李立本及李家豪,針對各黨的情況或施政問題,而輪流向3名候選人發問。有關資助宗教學校的政策,John Del Grande指黨魁莊德利聆聽省民意見,並透過自由投票才決定實行,屬民主方式進行。對於省自由黨有20億盈餘卻不減醫療稅,菲臘斯辯稱這些金錢須小心用 於教育及醫療方面,才可以維持現有服務。

候選人互相發問舌劍唇槍

會上較為激烈的環節是,各候選人向競選對手發問,菲臘斯批評保守黨離任前留下56億財政赤字,專業人士未能獲得認可,公校老師經常罷課,如何能做好 政府的本份?John Del Grande回駁說,這是因為2003年非典肺炎及多倫多大停電所致,但自由黨執政後即違反競選承諾,向省民徵收醫療稅。他繼續質問對手自由黨收取醫療稅 是增加家庭的負擔,令安省的競爭力下降,菲臘斯回應政府已連續5次平衡預算,並一直償還外債。Yvette Blackburn指責自由黨上任以來沒有真正改善教育及醫療等問題,最低時薪只加至8元,省長及議員卻大幅度增加薪酬;菲臘斯又搬出保守黨留下的財赤問 題,並認為新民主黨在推動經濟方面沒有建樹。

而大多市華商總會派出代表向候選人發問,其中多倫多華商會會長許家新問及加元高升對本地小生意造成影響,令省民前往美國購物,3位候選人各提出不同 的意見如何改善這個情況。密西沙加華商會副會長朱洪恩詢問當選的政府會否興建運輸系統把機場及市中心連接起來,候選人均表示這是重要的基建項目。萬錦市烈 治文山會長梁萬邦提問省府如何協助多倫多市府的財赤問題,士嘉堡萬錦市商會會長黎建輝的問題有關如何減少社區罪案。此外,大會安排市民及傳媒向候選人發 問,議題包括改善交通及保障少數族裔權益等。


精彩重溫:

Part 1 (starts at 20:15):
http://www.torontofirstradio.com/archive.asp?filename=ampart5-10-6-2007.asf

Part 2:
http://www.torontofirstradio.com/archive.asp?filename=ampart6-10-6-2007.asf

Part 3:
http://www.torontofirstradio.com/archive.asp?filename=ampart7-10-6-2007.asf

Part 4:
http://www.torontofirstradio.com/archive.asp?filename=ampart8-10-6-2007.asf

Part 5:
http://www.torontofirstradio.com/archive.asp?filename=ampart9-10-6-2007.asf


Responses

  1. 其實最好就係McGuinty 或者Sorbara 去,因為我條問題係用黎質呢兩個人。不過叫個有份量d嘅去都算比少少面華人嫁啦。

  2. Get Tory, I want to know what he means by “Leadership Matters" when he flip-flop on the issue of faith-based school funding.

  3. 以後唔上嚟玩啦,我鬧陳國治佢地唔登,你地唔登,心有屎,個台比人包起,你玩到夠啦!

  4. Oct 3rd 2007 at 12.35 pm & Oct 3rd 2007 at 12:38 pm (在另一論題),這兩篇留言都不是本人所留下的,下次用另一名字再與各網友交流,暫別。

  5. 好地地做咩鬧人呀! 有D咩咪心平氣和拆掂佢囉!
    唓, 之前連鬧"懵佬"一句都比個嘴廟廟聽眾話係"低俗",冇水準呀! 你成日咁XYZ屎尿屁發珠發炮, 人地硬係怕咗你啦! 比你D言論出街, 淨間咪拿屎上身?

    感銹中華, 邊個係出席者都未知, 點知想問咩喎! 過客, 傻啦, 又點會係"裝得你"自己黎吖, 佢而家都周身唔得閒! 網主放三個黨領張相起頂, 有D誤導大眾喎!
    咦, 等陣, 到時係咪全部都係老外先? 係就有D睇頭.. 我已經對班華人候選人對到有D膩, 日日夜夜都係果幾個..
    同埋呢壇嘢係華商會搞喎? 華商會班細叔伯, 大部份嘅政黨立場都呼之欲出啦.. 到時佢地會唔會自己落場玩埋一份先!

  6. 又冒認?? 睇黎都係同一個自由黨友喎! 又係"過客"!
    喂, 第二果個! 整D記認得唔得呀..例如"過客B", 過客2″, “過客乙", “過客 (自由黨的)", “過客X", “過客*"﹐ 乜都好啦, 咪鬼同人撞名先得!

  7. “懵佬"聽落幾俗下嫁,下次講英文啦,you dumbass,you idiot,好似順d唔咁俗咁。鬼佬成日講個兩句野,再粗少少咪 you faggot(意思雖然唔同,但好似仲貶少少)

  8. KaHoo,
    Is controlling the teenagers/residents to take/smoke marijuana the provincialor federal responsibility?
    Plus, would you please ask the 候選人about their opinions on marijuana legalization and the increasing number of Ontario residents smoking marijuana nowadays.
    Thanks

  9. my upper apartment’s tenants, day and night, release second hand marijuana smell free for me.

    what a hell!

  10. To Mr. John Tory,
    Where is Mike? Please consult Mr. Harris for tricks of Common Sense Revolutions and kick those self-benefited dumb politicians out of Queenspark again…

  11. Flip side of the story:

    http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/263545

  12. Chairman Mao said: Love or hate never comes from nowhere.

    http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/263545

    “These people have been caught time and time again over the last five years either over-fishing or taking fish from the sanctuary."

    “Residents with lakeside properties have also complained of finding garbage, including human feces (NOW THAT’S DISGUSTING) and toilet paper, on their lawns or behind their garages."

    “Rumours of aerated tank trucks trolling the countryside have added fuel to the speculation that many of these fishing trips are supplying Toronto’s Chinatown restaurants."

  13. 真相大揭秘深探

    大家有沒有發現,有關釣魚推落河事件,今日不約而同在留言區發言的,都是用英語寫的!

    1) 全是用英語寫的寫手,背後有沒有疑問呢?
    2) 所例舉之反指控責,實在存疑!因為大家都知道
    事件中用暴力對待有色人種的原居民,既然有暴
    力傾向解決事情, 那裡會啞忍長達五年之久????
    實在令人難以置信!!!如事件發生在亞裔身上,本
    著固有文化的陶冶,有可能事事將讓,忍著!
    對中國文化有深厚認識的人,一看便知這種反指
    責實在是無中生有,不攻自破!!
    3) 白人最喜歡爭取個人權益,如反指控所言;一早
    已向有關部門投訴及省警巡查,何以五年來不見
    有主流社會報章電視報導???
    4) 白人最鄙視的,是別人說謊;所以,若是睜開眼為
    事件說謊, 請你們三思,因為我們將用你們的標
    準去量度你們

  14. dude, cantoneseboy

    who are you?
    why you named yourself cantoneseboy in this issue?
    it seems you want to evoke people’s association in this matter to blame for!

    it is no more working to assiminate people in today’s world!!!

  15. We need to hear both sides of the story and make an educated decision as an individual.

    http://www.thestar.com/article/262428

    LETTER TO THE EDITOR
    TheStar.com | comment | Animosity growing toward those who fish
    Animosity growing toward those who fish

    Oct 02, 2007 04:30 AM

    Fishing trip to Westport turns violent

    Sept. 30

    I live in the Westport area and am aware of the issue described in this article. The problem is that a lot of information is excluded.

    There is animosity toward individuals who are fishing at night in our area. These people usually fish all night, are not concerned about how they fish, what kind of fish they catch or how many. They usually have large coolers filled with water with them, which they use as live wells for the transportation of fish back home. A lot of these people are working catching fish for companies based in Toronto and Montreal and they are selling the fish in those cities.

    In the case noted in your article, the individual involved was fishing in a well-posted fish sanctuary that is a source of pride to the people of Westport. People have been caught fishing there before and some have been heavily fined by MNR bylaw officers.

    Some of the landowners are very upset by the situation because the fishermen come in the middle of the night and fish in private or illegal areas. I don’t condone violence but you can see how the type of animosity toward these fishermen could have happened.

    Peter Clipsham, Westport, Ont.

  16. no more excueses on this issue!!

    it is criminal for those who intentional to throw and hurt other peoples into the lake.

    be civilized and educated.

  17. Nobody should taking the role of police to enforce the law and privately excises their own punishments on their own will.

    Does this sound reasonable?

  18. very reasonable

  19. Simon,

    Please ask Michael Chan for me since I have to work on Sat, what has he done for any tax related issue or resolve any tax problem, what is his daily routine job beside go on TV, go some opening ceremony for construction site. By the way, please make him to answer what is the qualification to get hire for him position since I remember McGunity assign him to work this position by his NON- SENSE GUT feeling and I am not convince and I believe many people are not convince as well that he is in this position. Is an insult that Chinese only work on some position like this, the only thing that I think he fulfilled for his job is let people blast on him, Mr. Chan don’t tell me you feel good about this.

  20. David Miller, you are A MAYOR, could you try to make your brain function and you should responsible to pay for the penalty due to wrongfully use of penny for the poster, not the taxpayer. We are so sick and tired with what you have done, your lie and your stupid excuses for rising the tax. By the way, you are not a good liar at all because everybody know you lie.

  21. To Conservative,

    Maybe you should learn something from Liberal such as how to give away candy wisely or use the candy wisely. That’s the only comment or suggestion I can think of for you.

  22. Absolutely. When Peter Clipsham sees/notices/finds/smells someone – Chinese, White, Black, Brown (or even Martian for that matter) – trying to fish illegally in the middle of the night in private or illegal areas, shouldn’t he notify the police immediately so that the matter could be referred to the proper authority? When someone said, “I don’t condone violence" yet nowhere in his statement mentioned anything about calling 911, it makes me wonder what actually went through his mind while he was conjuring up these charges.

    Anyone who takes the law in his/her own hand should be prosecuted, period.

    OPP, still need more hints to put together the profile of a suspect?

  23. http://faifujiyin.blogspot.com/2007/10/shameless-4.html

    無恥四政棍 – The Shameless 4

    這就是安省這四年來最無恥的四個政棍! (English translation below)

    1. 安省省長麥老堅 (左上) : 2003 年為求贏取選票, 夠膽簽下不加稅承諾而在上任後第一份財政預算立法徵收保健稅; 競選承諾一大堆卻沒有兌現; 此君話不支持宗教學校資助, 自己卻在天主教中學畢業, 太太在天主教學校任教, 子女在天主教學校就讀. 此人謊話連篇, 不能盡錄.

    2. 安省財長掃把拉 (左下) : 日前下午評擊 John Tory 在宗教學校資助議題上因態度有所軟化而誠信盡失. 唉! 有口話人, 無口話自己! 不見得你老細麥老堅的誠信好得去邊?!?

    最沒有資格去批評人家誠信的, 正正就是自由黨。

    3. 多倫多市長苗老大 (右上) : 政治爛仔一名. 加不到稅就拿市民大眾的服務來開刀. 企圖擴大打擊面。逢週一關閉社區中心,美其名節流,卻忘記砥棣屬公會的員工不能 lay-off ,結果逢週一社區中心大門深鎖,裡面則燈火通明。員工照樣上班,不過就是返工 “玩手指"! 被傳媒揭發及公眾垢病之後,苗老大唯有立令逢週一重開社區中心。但是要等到十月十五日才開始。

    4. 安省稅務廳長陳國治 (右下) : 自由黨愚忠,從聯邦人頭稅事件為自由黨辯護及不肯道歉,以至 “振振有詞" 話 “人頭紙" 存在大量假貨便可見一斑。今年初補選勝出,麥老堅便煞有介事般重開已經撤銷了十五年的稅務廳長一位給陳國治坐。上任後又不見得陳廳長有任何建樹。每逢有聽眾 phone-in 質問醫療稅,陳廳長只是懂得重提 2003 年保守黨政府留下 56億元赤字。 語氣好像是現在仍然是 2003 年一樣! 今年是 2007 年了,四年來,自由黨政府做過甚麼??

    有時我覺得,搵架錄音機做省議員都好過俾陳國治做!

    *****

    These are the 4 shameless politicians in Ontario in this past 4 years!

    1. Ontario Premier Dalton McWimpy (top left): He says anything (including lying) in order to win an election. Please recall that he signed a pledge not to to raise taxes before the 2003 provincial election and then levied the $900 Ontario health tax in his first budget. Needless to mention, he has broken tons of election promises. In addition, he shows his hypocracy by saying that he does not support faith-based school funding while he graduated from a Catholic school, his wife teaches in a Catholic school and his children attend Catholic schools.

    2. Ontario Finance Minister Greg Sorbara (bottom left): The other day Greg Sorbara criticized John Tory loses his creditability by softening his stand on faith-based funding. Well? I do not see your boss McWimpy has any of that!

    The Liberals have no right in criticizing others for not having creditability.

    3. Toronto NDP Mayor David Miller (top right): Such a political bully! He would inconvenient as many Toronto residents as he could by cutting those most-used services after his notorious tax-levying motions are defeated. He ordered weekly closing of community centres on Mondays but only to find out that unionized staff cannot be laid off and still have to come to work on Mondays! Eventually he has to bow to pressure of reopening the facilities – but won’t start until October 15.

    4. Ontario Minister of Revenue Michael Chan (bottom right): This guy is just a yes-man of the Liberal Party. Take a look at his stand and his defense of the Liberal Party during the federal head-tax issue. After winning the by-election in Markham-Unionville earlier this year, McWimpy reopened the position of Revenue Minister (which has been taken out for the past 15 years) and gave it to Chan. But what has Chan done so far? Whenever he got asked by listeners during phone-in shows about health tax, all Chan can say is the $5.6 billion deficit left to them by the previous Conservative government. He says that as if it is still 2003 today! It is 2007 now, what has the Liberal government done this past 4 years??

    Sometimes I wonder whether it is better to have a tape recorder as MPP rather than Michael Chan!

  24. 家豪:

    BTW, thanks for bridging the gap between the mainstream politicians and Chinese voters today, you are so flexible: Chinese-English, English-Chinese, China, HK, Taiwan. I will certainly put the label of “A Jack of all Trades", sorry, “A Jack of all Political Stripes" or “All-Purpose Political Star" on your pedestal.

    Speaking of bridging the gap and being flexible, anyway you can do a 拱橋 on the stage today? 🙂

    See you all @ 錦繡中華 today!

    P.S. 無恥四政棍 – The Shameless 4: Bull’s eye!

    Can we make a movie out of this theme and we’ll all play Dirty Harry’s character in the upcoming provincial and municipal elections:

    殺無赦? (Vote the Shameless 4 out of the their offices)

  25. 我終於知道其實陳國治d對答除左發悔氣個句之外全部都同philips無異,PC個阿john 仲差過K.K.Li,我個人覺得blackburn 係全場最好個個。如果有多d時間,philips應該會比我搞到勁嗡廢話。我當時有諗過質佢,但交通切身d,無奈地要取捨。呢個philips 同陳國治一樣比我玩,陳國治就比我指住笑,philips 一講5.6 billion 赤字我就令咩面加搖頭,學足麥老堅啦。

  26. 社會係咁!老外係咁!

    想延年益壽,大小二便通暢,等到六十,盡取老人金,食返夠本!!用盡醫療,每星期探望家庭醫生,明白自己健康,助己助人,大家好!

  27. 一子錯滿盤皆落索!!! PC 敗象漸成!
    反自由黨者早點思考下著子如何下才是!

  28. Thank you for making those points, it is soooooooo GREAT!!!!! EVERYBODY, don’t forget what McGunity’s lie, DON’T VOTE LIBERAL. Thanks a million again for making those points!

  29. Hay, Mr. Michael Chan, can you make a speech without looking at the paper every 5 seconds. Honestly, sometime I feel pretty bad for you when people attack you BUT you don’t fit in, you don’t fit in. Mr. Tung is best example you can use it as a reference.

  30. One more thing, 99.8% of these comments against McGunity and they are still the one heading the poll which I can’t understand. Don’t you ever curious about that?

  31. 好彩李家豪唔係整現代日報個篇上黎,"菲臘士領風騷",what da?係新間標題加入自己意見,已經唔中肯啦,頭版唔係 editorial,disappointing.

  32. 人人選自己!!

    十二三萬年薪,唔好咁蠢呀各位,選邊個都死,政棍信得過,豬仔會上樹呀!!!

    快的去投票,畫左自己個名,做個好市民,學足佢地個套,講一套做一套;講個套係去投票,做嗰套係去投票比自己!!!

    十二三萬年薪加福利,白白送比人,你痴啦你!!政棍
    高貴夫人洞!!

  33. “現代"果條題又真係﹐未免有點兒…
    我睇完場"辨論"﹐又唔覺阿菲生點樣佔上風﹐自由黨個個都有同一篇台詞﹐拎上手都係講果D架啦.. 咁的確﹐阿菲生又係政界做咗咁多年人﹐老薑講嘢淡定D﹐壓場D都無可厚非。 (或者難聽D講﹐"老奸巨滑"?) 不過有D位﹐比如辣到slush fund果壇時﹐佢咪都又係只能死守﹐又豈有"風騷"可言﹗
    我都覺Yvette Blackburn幾辣喎﹐說話流暢﹐字字鏗鏘﹐再加埋佢D語氣激動﹐快狠準﹐都聽到我個心仔卜卜跳。今届橙黨有幾個詞鋒銳利嘅候選人都幾令我眼前一亮。

    個"辨論"整體黎講都幾順﹐李家豪同李立本拍都幾有新意﹐(當然默契可以有待磨練) 不如以後多D合作啦﹗ 而班華商會巨頭D問題都幾好喎 (nice surprise..)﹐多元化得黎都幾貼身. 都真係算係咁。

    不過敢瘦中華個場唔夠旺﹐雖然個格局high卡﹐但現場台下氣氛硬係掙咁D﹐在所難免。
    but overall, good job, 華人傳媒終於有首個"全老外"debate﹐唔洗比D老外話我地成日搞小圈子﹐淨係care about華裔候選人。

  34. John Tory for Ontario

    October 7, 2007
    John Tory for Ontario
    By SUN MEDIA

    Elections aren’t about having perfect choices. They’re about making the best decision from the choices we have.

    In the Oct. 10 provincial election, Ontarians have one of two imperfect choices for premier, Liberal Leader Dalton McGuinty or Progressive Conservative Leader John Tory.

    NDP Leader Howard Hampton has run a good campaign and deserves to have the New Democrats return to Queen’s Park with enough MPPs to retain official party status.

    But the real choice for most voters is between McGuinty and the Liberals and Tory and the Conservatives.

    We choose Tory and we recommend you do as well.

    With one caveat. If you really believe the single most important issue in Ontario today, based on the past four years of the McGuinty government, is stopping the addition of 2.5% more students now attending non-Catholic, faith-based schools, to the 2.1 million students already in the public system, vote for McGuinty.

    But if you believe, as we do, that the most important issues in this province have to do with the burdensome $2.7-billion-a-year health care tax McGuinty imposed on us three years ago after promising not to do so, and about his countless other broken promises on health care, the environment, education and the economy, vote for Tory.

    If you believe violent crime, not just on our streets, but inside our schools, is a serious problem that must be addressed, vote for Tory.

    If you are appalled by McGuinty’s handling of the native protest in Caledonia and want the rule of law restored, so that land claims can be dealt with in a climate of reason, free from intimidation, vote for Tory.

    If you are fed up with Liberal scandals and the waste of your money in fiascos like Slushgate, as documented by the provincial auditor general, vote for Tory.

    If you are disgusted with the arrogant maladministration at the Ontario Lottery Corp., Ontario Criminal Injuries Compensation Board and the Municipal Properties Assessment Corp,. as exposed by the provincial ombudsman, vote for Tory.

    A premier who has to invent a crisis and fan the flames of religious bigotry by suggesting society will fall apart if we do what five other provinces have already done by funding multi faith-based schools, doesn’t deserve your support.

    Nor does a premier who has to stoop to such transparent bait-and-switch tactics because he can’t defend his own record.

    That’s why voters should fire McGuinty on Oct. 10.

    We think Tory’s funding proposal is wrong not because it threatens our society but because, like most Ontarians, we want one, strong, properly funded school system.

    That is what we will continue to support.

    But to meet the far greater challenges now facing Ontarians, we need a leader of proven accomplishments in business and community service and an individual of decency, integrity and compassion.

    That leader is John Tory.

    Link: http://torontosun.com/Comment/Commentary/2007/10/07/4556994-sun.html

  35. Go to this link and you will find the REAL Dalton McGuity:

    http://www.daltonmcguinty.ca/

  36. 李立本就一向都緊張,想快又快唔到……李家豪一向都掂,搵埋蘇博士去應該會仲正,小弟今次首次即場發問曝光,4年後有乜野好同唔好,我都會出黎再講。上次market village 都有同我差唔多年紀嘅人出現,但今次好少,不過點都好,意見入到主流先係主題。錦鏽中華外面唔得,但入面好靚喎,我第一次去呢個mall,感覺唔錯。

  37. 原來第一個問問題鬧話起密市坐咗幾粒鐘車先出到黎果個就係青天葵…我當時都冇專登睜大隻眼望下你個樣添。

    錦鏽中華嘅外形係真係好唔得。入面好乾淨舒服﹐不過就真係唔知要做幾多年先做得起。

    廢苦滋燃: 我都祝莊德利good luck啦﹐不過睇黎今次個宗教學校flip-flop真係意料之外地傷﹐而家佢保唔保得住自己個riding都有D危.. 尋日又見阿陳廳長帶住阿Kathleen Wynne去埋區內D唐人餐館度拉票﹐D阿叔阿嬸好似好冧咁嘅樣喎…

  38. Among those election candidate forums, I didn’t see a few more Chinese Canadians address the issue on discriminative behavior towards “Attack Incidents on Asian Canadian Fishmen" to the candidates. What a disappointment! The incidents are only a small corner of racial profile phenomenon. We don’t have collective strength to speak up for ourselves; what extend of Ontario prosperity will matter to us?

    I have seen supporting facts from NDP for working groups. They have response and action on public’s concerns, unfortunately with little financial support. See the size of their election signs, they cost money too! NDP’s voice will not be strong enough in Legislature Assembly without the support from voters. Their experienced supporters rather work on coaching young candidates instead of own benefits. That’s what we expect more enthusiastic offspring to speak for us in the future, but not cunning politicians merely work on power struggle.

    Every political party’s performance differs every 4 years. It depends extremely on who is leading the team. Should we expect our government use funding on public’s need or to spend taxpayers’ money for members of majority government themselves and on scandals?

  39. 陳國治帶wynne 去 don valley west 拉票?不過講開又講,agincourt 係滿江紅,藍色睇個樣好似幾難打到入到咁。如果我冇估錯,我諗李家豪係unionville forum 個時已經認得小弟,不過點都好,我副眼鏡顏色咁特別,望女仔好覺嫁,所以比d eye contact 班政客,佢地會比反應你。有冇人12點有聽 tory 個show, 唔錯嫁喎,不過最記得個句係一個聽眾打上去講 Mr. Dalton McLiar,如果我冇聽錯嘅話。

  40. Instead of criticism advise the problem decision.


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