發文作者:kahoo | 八月 14, 2007

舌戰: 劉秉純醫生 火拼 鄒至蕙議員

從哈珀內閣大執位開始.. 談到慰安婦議案爭議..

  

精彩重溫:

Part 1 (starts at 27:00):
www.torontofirstradio.com/archive.asp?filename=ampart12-8-14-2007.asf

Part 2:
www.torontofirstradio.com/archive.asp?filename=ampart13-8-14-2007.asf

Part 3:
www.torontofirstradio.com/archive.asp?filename=ampart14-8-14-2007.asf

Part 4:
www.torontofirstradio.com/archive.asp?filename=ampart15-8-14-2007.asf


Responses

  1. 請問劉醫生:
    1.什麼叫做“為少數族裔的利益,而損害加拿大的整體利益”?公平公義,反對壓迫,作為文明世界的普世價值,是加拿大人,無論是主流社會,抑或是少數族裔的整體價值核心,亦是大家的共同利益。加拿大人在國際社會受到尊重,乃因為加拿大是一個尊重人權,信奉公平公義的社會。若加拿大依劉醫生所言為眼前的經濟利益而放棄對公義的堅持,致使加拿大人的核心價值觀備受扭曲,國際形象一落千丈,請問這又是否會損害加拿大的整體利益?

    2.劉醫生謂在議會表決慰安婦問題,會激怒日本,損害加拿大的整體經濟利益。然而貴黨哈帕先生在公開場合連番攻擊中國的人權狀況,其同樣會損害加中兩國的關系,影響加拿大的對外貿易。按劉醫生的說法,這就是損害加拿大的整體利益。中國當時亦謂加國政府將貿易與政治混為一談,把貿易政治化,幹涉中國內政。那麼哈帕政府的做法又是否得當?加國政府日後又是否應在公開場合回避中國的人權問題。

    3.確實,聯合國是一個就慰安婦問題對日本施壓的理想平臺,但這並不能否定加國議會在此問題上是另一個對日本施壓,彰顯加拿大價值觀的有用平臺。既然有此平臺,為何就不能加以利用呢。至於提到所謂的“在加國國會表決是幹涉別國內政”的問題,首先請問究竟是人權大還是主權大?另外,慰安婦問題牽涉到東亞,東南亞數個國家,以及二次大戰的遺留問題,顯然這不單單是日本的“內政”問題。再有,在聯合國表決,要求日本道歉不是幹涉他國內政,那為什麼加拿大議會表決就是幹涉內政呢?請問這中間是一個怎樣的邏輯。

  2. 我好同意周生嘅講法……仲有如果劉醫生參選嘅話我想同佢講,唔好搞搞陣啦,做番醫生算啦(呢個係冇咁mean 嘅講法)…唔怪得之咁少大國手做到議員啦….因為大國手同議員舌戰都唔夠打,如果上左場,實比對方d大炮打到渣都冇…不如學黃醫生咁咪仲好,起碼比人贊嘛…

  3. 加拿大議會有權通過提案,對外表達自己意見,彰顯自身的價值觀。不太明白為何非要到聯合國的層面才能夠就慰安婦的問題發表自己的見解。依劉醫生所言,日後哈帕先生是否不能在加拿大國內或其他國際場合就中國的人權問題發表意見,呼籲中國改善人權狀況,而一定要在聯合國的架構下才能對此暢所欲言,否則就是幹涉中國內政,影響加中關系,損害加拿大利益呢?

  4. 聽了Dr. Lau對於慰安婦事件的言論,感覺到身為高級知識分子,都不能分清楚對與錯,是非黑白不分的人,只懂得盲目跟隨黨的指令,口口聲聲說以國家利益為首,什麼公義也不顧。如果一個一點主見都沒有,也不懂得將事件的對或錯反映給黨中央,只會做應聲蟲的候選人,你會不會投他一票??他極可能是保守黨的負資產(假如他繼續發表類似的言論)。

  5. 如果劉醫生今次的言論是代表保守黨的立場,請問你下次選舉會投保守黨一票嗎??

  6. 無論是在加拿大議會表決,還是在聯合國的架構下表決,事實上都不失為解決慰安婦問題的一個選項。當然那個平臺更好,更能平衡社會公義與國家利益之間的關系,大眾可以繼續探討。但劉醫生的“輕公義重利益”論,“幹涉別國內政”論,顯然都不能成為反對國會表決的理由。由此還反映出劉醫生的價值信仰好有問題,至少其價值信仰與文明世界的主流價值觀並不“同頻”。

  7. Excellent points by everyone, especially Keith.

    I am applauded with the logics employed by Dr. Lau. It draws a lot of similarities between Dr Lau’s arguments and those released by some spokesperson at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of China. It sounds like Dr. Lau is a perfect candidate for the Communist party of Canada. So much so that I think he should jump ship to run for that party.

    Perhaps, who knows what Dr Lau is up to? Too much political correctness, just manifestation of one’s slavery genes, or some hidden agenda?

    Don’t quit your day job, Dr. Lau.

  8. 浅白演譯:
    劉醫生話如果冇著數梗係唔制啦,不過如果係大圍做,
    我咪跟住做囉。

    呢條友正一係政棍,政治撈家,政治投機者!

  9. Ding~~~! 第一 回合: 鄒至蕙險勝…

    (To be cont’d)

  10. Dr Lau better serves the community by treating his patients, that’s 加拿大的整體利益

    Also for the sake of 加拿大的整體利益, he should not run for the election.

  11. Dr. Lau comment yesterday really made me sick.Telling us you have been living in Canada for 40 years, No wonder you do not consider youself chinese.Comfort women issue is not just chinese issue.It is a world issue.It is a RIGHT OR WRONG issue. Any people (not only chinese) SHOULD support it.You are not only disgrace youself, You have disgrace the entire chinese population.You SHOULD apologise to those suffered comfort women and those who suffered in the world war 2.Dr.Lau, What going on with you?We do not want you to represent us (CHINESE) in the up coming election. You ABSOLUTELY do not deserve our support.I persoally demand your public apology regard to your comment.

  12. 世界上有小小良知的人都不會說出劉醫生的話,隋非你是日本人,我們華人社區應該和他分清界限.他沒有資格代表我們參加仕何公職.不要忘記呀大國手,你雖然來了加拿大40年,妳流的滴滴血都是中國血呀!!!!!!

  13. I am not suprise what Dr. Lau had said. Even in the head tax issue(particulaly the sibling of those old man issue), He is not that supportive either, he just have no chice at all because of the public outcry. So i will pretty sure he will change his mind later on the comfort women issus later.What a typical pathetic political animal.

  14. 佢立場鮮明d啦..一時一樣…正一黨奴才……有一個形容詞好岩佢,形容埋黃志華都得,音係一個數字,實際上係一種好多人養嘅寵物。兩個都令人失望

  15. 看了各位網友的留言,情况是一面倒,如果有保守黨的黨員看到此討論區,請轉告黨中央,希望以後不要讓Dr. Lau再代表貴黨發言,以免他講多錯多,嚴重影响貴黨來屆大選,他的"慰安婦"言論,己經傷透了許多華人的心,請Dr. Lau勿再在此事件傷口上澈鹽,刺激保守黨支持者轉投其他黨派。

  16. 青天葵 bro:

    The Honourable Raymond Chan (MP of Richmond, BC) is another “fine" example.

    Yeah, the honourable title, no matter how ironic it is, is granted to someone who was once in the office of a ministry.

  17. As a trusted fair radio station, I think you guy should immediately ask all the potential candidates on the upcoming election who say they will represent Toronto chinese commuity to have his own stand on this comfort women issue . They should have to answer one simple question.Just say YES or NO . Do not let them duck this issue or wait for their party decision .What happen if their party refuse to answer and say no.Are they going to persuaded their party vigourously. Or follow what that disgraced Dr.did.I think this is the biggest issue for our Chinese Population arround the world.You have absolutely no right to say you are represent chinese community if you say no to this issue or even hesitate to say yes.Cytodex is right ,That Dr. should keep on curing his patient because as far as i am concern , His political life is finished. Iam sorry to be so upset but I just cannot contol myself after hearing what he said yesterday and have no time to call in the radio show.I just shock to hear this kind of comments come out of a Chinese mouth , Even shockier for a highly educated Doctor.

  18. 同意 Kevin所講.
    請所有對劉秉純昨天言論極度反感的選民,用你的選票向保守黨說不. 用以警惕所有華裔候選人慎言.
    起碼是對劉秉純說不!!

  19. 請家豪兄將這區所有網友的留言轉交Dr. Lau及保守黨黨代表,請他們回應一下網友的訴求,及向華人社區明確地表明保守黨對於"慰安婦"事件的立場。

  20. 我諗淨係華人擺投保守黨…..下次大選之後保守黨應該會做番反對黨,當然少數政府都應該仲係個trend ….少數族裔駛唔駛聽?國家利益係咪比公義重要?一個不能對不公義事情發表反對聲音嘅政府會係點?睇下次大選結果咪知囉,選民會判斷,你地嘅出色表現大家有眼睇!我覺得除左要劉醫生表明立場外,我仲想佢為自己講過嘅野負責(為此未經反覆思量嘅言論道歉)。如果有人認同就回覆下,支持下啦

  21. 青天葵兄:
    絕對同意要Dr. Lau表明立場及為其"慰安婦"言論公開道歉,如果保守黨認為少數族裔的選票是可有可無的話,國家利益比任何公義都來得重要時,請保守黨代表再公開表述一次,看看華裔會有什麼反應?看看下次大選華裔選民的投票取向,便有分曉!

  22. I am glad i got support from all this great guys,Even decent people who has no chinese blood will not said what that Dr. had said. It time for Kahoo to act immediately to force all future candidates to answer no matter who their party is.

  23. 我個人覺得呢個言論同馬主席嘅坦克碌豬言論有異曲同工之妙,除非劉醫生係親共或者係個d批鬥過慰安婦嘅人就話唔會作出道歉。醫生知唔知咩叫以民為本?希望你呼喚良知,要求唔高,只係下次上一本政經時道個歉,我地會接受。日本憤青就係音樂到宣泄,香港嘅就絕食,以前大陸嘅就做紅衛兵隨街批鬥人,作為加拿大憤青嘅我做法會唔同。我會用選票去K.O你,因為我唔係老外只識party。

  24. 加多一點,劉醫生,講轉告harper 聽,話華人情緒激昂/高漲,希望加拿大向日本施壓對慰安婦暴行道歉嘅議案盡快通過。因為我地手上有嘅武器對政客黎講同槍冇分別–選票,你同harper 講睇佢有乜反應,q都比埋你,希望你表達得好d

  25. 慰安婦,中國都未出聲未出手未出口未出槍未出戰機未出十多億子孫,點解呢到的加拿大居民公民僑民咁多怨氣!!
    呀!我知啦!
    佢地有思鄉症,身在胡邦心在漢!

  26. 唔係中國未出聲, 係共產黨未出聲!

  27. 是良知令我們要出聲!!
    沒有良知的冷血者,直至去見其老祖宗的一天,也不會明白.

  28. 中共比人一句撻埋黎話文革時,慰安婦比人批鬥嫁喎……….回歸左我都唔覺得我係100%中國人,只係個100%冇左根嘅香港人,同大陸人思想有好大差異

  29. 中國就中國啦,講咩嘢共和黨共產黨呀!

    唔理係咩嘢黨,總言之管理好中國既黨就係好黨!

    良咩嘢知呀,你久唔久又唔係睇吓的女人光脫脫,去吓妓樓玩吓!講到自己係聖人,好啦好啦,你鍾意做聖人,比你做啦,湯米!

  30. 對不公義的事情要出聲是良知的驅使,無論你身在何方,所以對慰安婦事件,爭取人頭稅平反,保衛釣魚台,平反64都要出聲。只是那些冷血者,看主子面色的奴才及精神有問題者才會不出聲。

  31. The Liberals had the problem of corruption.

    The Conservatives does not uphold righteousness.

    Enlighten me who to vote for?

  32. 咁激,又冷血者,又奴才,又精神病,係咁鬧人!!!

    呢個人—樓上個位過客,莫非真係有精神病,討論發表言論講到咁激,心臟弱的都隨時會暴斃!!!

    各種言論都係好都係唔好,都係對都係不對!!睇你點睇!!呢的說話唔係咁多人識講,維園阿伯點吓你啦!!!

  33. 無論劉醫生講得幾差都好,我始終係會投保守黨一票。既然新民主黨唔在考慮之列,而迪安連講話都唔清楚唔楚,哈珀自然係唯一嘅選擇。

  34. I don’t get your logic……Layton speaks fluent french and english, why don’t you consider NDP? Dion can’t speak good english doesn’t mean he can’t rule canada well…..sigh…

  35. Support Uncle, we are the dogs of communist party, we love the party (not the country), we eat shit!

  36. VPU 你洩漏黨機密!

  37. 個d係國家機密,一個黨係個國家,講乜都係代表國家,你話黨機密,佢可以整條分化國家或者分裂國家罪你嘆….

  38. 雖然小人對 federal 自由黨亦再不存任何厚望, 但亦贊成青天葵所言: 做雙語國家元首, 如果英法語亦不通 (如陳部長), 當然請他回家喫蕉好過喇。 但 屎提糞、 的骯 法語為母語, 英語在下亦聽得明, 如果有骨氣, 有魄力, 有理想, 又如果可帶領加國做世界強國, 又為何不可呢? 可知 哈珀 就是幾年前, 連幾句法文都唔識, 亦可做元首。 話需如此, 我對自由黨重係餘恨未消。

    還記得有一次家豪訪問某政要, 家豪在笑 的骯 嘅唔咸唔淡英文, 我亦有小小打過突。 因為以香港移民身份, 我們就是英語流利的, 亦講英文時往往帶濃厚香港(未必是英國)口音; 以這樣身份批評另外一個人講英語有口音, 你估其他以英語為毋語的被訪問者心會點諗吖?

  39. 麥老堅呢個都唔知係乜人黎嘅…..省選前洗錢買人心係正常,一般政客手般(但麥老堅上台後成功打破好多競選承諾….)但係佢當我低能呀定愚民呀?…3500萬係Kipling 搞屎棍?擺Mississauga transit,係放都放遠d啦,Islington同Kipling 差一個subway站……話明係未來電費升6-7成,而現減一個percent 有鬼用…..幾時叫安省自由黨(奴才,繼黃智華後又一個保黨兜圈出色嘅人,冇自己立場)陳廳長上來比人問下問題

  40. 補充:而家由TTC轉Mississauga Transit 係Islington(M.T巴士總站) 落車轉….我都唔係好識講,The subway westbound last stop is Kipling, Islington is the second last stop……


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