發文作者:kahoo | 四月 13, 2007

米蘭唐人街起義: 意大利警方打華孕婦, 誰是誰非?

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Part 1 (starts at 17:00):

http://www.torontofirstradio.com/archive.asp?filename=ampart12-4-13-2007.asf

Part 2:
http://www.torontofirstradio.com/archive.asp?filename=ampart13-4-13-2007.asf

Part 3:
http://www.torontofirstradio.com/archive.asp?filename=ampart14-4-13-2007.asf

Part 4:
http://www.torontofirstradio.com/archive.asp?filename=ampart15-4-13-2007.asf

華人與意大利警方在一間華資貿易公司外推撞,激動地指罵警員:

戴上頭盔的意大利防暴警察制服一名華人示威者,把他壓倒在車上,一名男子嘴角滲血,與警員理論:


Responses

  1. 只有等到調查報告出來後先致可以判斷是非對錯。但系希望啲新移民借此吸取教訓。

    睇來好多大陸新移民都唔明白執法時警察有至高無上嘅權威,即使美加都系如此。香港人就知道,同警察沖突,或者有肢體接觸吃虧系自己。其實警察唔等于終審庭,好多嘢可以法庭上洗雪。所以忍一時之氣,有嘢法庭上力爭先致系上策。為一張罰單,被警察打一餐好唔值。而且打人嘅警察如果只系執行公務而程序上無出錯嘅話都未必告得入。但系打傷警察損毀汽車者,終會被刑事起訴。一張罰單搞出咁大件事都是唔明游戲規則所致。

    可惜呢樣重要嘅嘢并唔見主要為新移民服務嘅中文傳媒提起過。

  2. 開玩笑君評論中肯.

    違反交通規則始終是不對, 收到告票是正常的. 至於有義大利人犯同樣的過失, 而警察沒有對他採取行動, 可以向有關方面投訴那警察. 是否有種族歧視, 要調查過後才可下斷語. 可能有賄賂的行為也未可料, 不要一有事情發生便說是種族歧視.說到警察出言不遜, 在這種情況下, 更不應用武力解決, 因為警察是執法者, 與執法者動粗, 原本有理也會變成無理, 吃虧始終是自己.

  3. Ok, I really have to point one thing out.

    SHE IS PREGNANT!

    I can throw away the simplistic ‘Its racial discrimination’ thing, because it could be something else, for example she hit them first, etc, etc… I don’t have faith in any legal systems…

    But why isn’t the Equal Rights People steping in?
    Under all circumstances, authorities should not physically abuse another human being unless they were first attacked.

    Why isn’t President Bush stepping in to Italy and starts pointing fingers indicating that the italians have no human rights? What about Prime Minister Harper? The EuroNations? I wonder if this case were to happend in China, where a Pregnant Italian is physically abused by the Chinese’ Police, would have stirred up something where it involes the world against China.

  4. 瘋人:

    Up to the present moment, you (or we, if you feel more comfortable) don’t have sufficient evidence to accuse Bush, Harper and leaders of the other western countries not criticizing Italian police in this issue.
    1. The initial cause of the issue was an offence of traffic rules by the Chinese couple. The offenders have other ways to raise their complaints about Police’s unfair/inappropriate practice. Confrontation between the Chinese crowd and the Police is definitely avoidable.
    2. The accusation of racial discrimination has not yet been, if it can be, proved.
    3. Your question about a pregnant Italian to be physically abused by Chinese’s Police without mentioning the cause of the issue is deliberately avoiding the core element of an issue. Do you really think the Chinese Gong An will physically abuse a foreigner for a non-political reason like traffic offence? I’m afraid that the Chinese Gong An will be biased in favor of foreigners in non-political issues. To be honest, I may be happy if the Chinese Gong An dare to take a stronger position in non-political issues involving foreigners.
    I sincerely hope that the Chinese authorities accept your advice, ‘Under all circumstances, authorities should not physically abuse another human being unless they were first attacked’. Unfortunately, their records of suppression of people’s peaceful petitions obviously shows this is not included in their work regulations.

    直至現在, 你(或我們) 並沒有足夠的証據去指責布殊, 哈伯和其他西方的領袖在這事件上, 沒有譴責意大利警方.
    1. 這事件的最初起因是那對華裔夫婦遣反交通規例. 遣規者有其他途徑去投訴警方的不公平/不恰當的做法. 華裔群眾與警隊對峙是完全可以避免的.
    2. 種族歧視的指控還沒有, 如果可以的話, 被證實.
    3. 你的有關意大利懷孕的婦人被中國警察粗暴對待的問題, 卻沒有提及起因, 是有意迴避問題核心. 你真的相信中國公安會因非政治性理由, 如交通遣規,對一個外國人施用暴力嗎? 我恐怕中國公安在非政治性事件會偏袒外國人呢! 老實說, 如果中國公安在非政治性事件中, 胆敢採取強硬態度對待外國人, 我可能還會高興呢!
    我誠懇希望中國的執法者接受你的忠告: 在任何情況下, 除非先遭受攻擊, 執法者決不使用暴力對付任何人. 不幸地, 他們鎮壓人們和平請願的紀錄, 反映這條忠告, 並不在他們的工作守則內.

  5. 一聽眾, you are right, I do not yet have any evidence to accused Mr. Harper, Mr. Bush, or any other leaders on the topic of not criticizing the Italian police. In fact, the evidence required in this case would most likely never be visible since this case would most likely be dismissed by non-Chinese governments before it is able to reach an audience whom understand that classification based upon ethnicity is obsolete, not that the Italiano-Chinese would actually understand that.
    I admit that there are many forms of retaliation on these matter and the one choosen by the parties in this incident is most likely not the best.
    Yet, the italian Police force should still be put under the microscrope for physically abusing another human being even after learning that this human being is with child! Based on your point of view against the chinese Police force, AKA Gong On, do you think that this is a political issue in the Italian’s point of view? I recall a recent documentary stating that goods manufactured in China have been nibbling away at European Exports on many front. There is no way to absolutely say that this incident is not an attempt at something grander in scheme then just a traffic ticket, and honestly, I doubt we will ever find out.

    And to clear it up once more, in my arguments, racial discrimination is not of my concern, but rather the disembodiement of organizations that frought long and hard for equal rights, human rights, and the protection of children.

    Striking a pregnant person just violated many those beliefs, yet none of the spokesperson have stated a single word against the Italian government or police force.
    Yet, when it comes to China, it is a known fact that the Chinese government does not care about Human Rights. No matter how much of a change the country has already.

    This is part of the world’s Stereotypical point of view, if it is a communistic country there is no human rights.

    On your point 3, later section, let’s make my point of view a bit more clear, so I don’t have to explain myself yet again. So, we pick on big brother a bit, the United States.
    Assuming Moron Vs States Govt.

    Moron : Are you free to do with what every you want within the United states?
    States Legal Body: Yes, but not to the point where you might violate the united states legal code, or cause others to violate the ….. (goes on legal terms for 30 min)
    Moron: What if I didn’t violate anything but just an expression of my political standings?
    States legal Body: maybe, depends on your expression.
    Moron : I want to burn the United States of America’s Flag to express my disappointment of the current government.
    States Legal Body: Illegal because there is a law against it, you will be sentenced to Jail term and Fine.

    how is that really different from the Chinese Government? Once they pass a law stating that something is illegal, then it is.

    That’s life as we know it!

    Same goes for Drinking and Driving, Drugs, prostitution, gangs, etc…

    Well, to those people who were benefiting from all of those ‘illegal’ but ‘peaceful’ things, it is against their Rights to Freedom.
    Yet, it is the law.

  6. 瘋人:

    Maybe I couldn’t express my viewpoints clearly or you deliberately distorted them. Your fabricated conversations seem to argue that there are no differences in abuse of powers by the government of United States and China. However, I didn’t say anything about this in the point 3 of my last entry. What I said was the Chinese Gong An might be biased in favor of foreigners in non-political issues. In my opinion, it is possible that they would hesitate to hold a severe position against foreign offenders since this would damage the friendly relationship with the home countries of the offenders.
    I don’t understand why there is any relationship between my viewpoints about Chinese Gong An and nature of the current issue and am puzzled by your question: ‘based on your point of view against Chinese police force, AKA Gong An, do you think that this is a political issue in the Italian’s point of view?’ I don’t have any information to convince myself this is a political issue. Do you have any? The policemen/women involved may be racists, but it seems to be rather unlikely they intentionally arouse a political issue.
    Your quote of the mistreatment of goods manufactured in China can do nothing, but only confuses the discussion. Even if your allegation of the improper activities can be proved, it doesn’t mean that foreign countries have malicious intentions in all other disputes with Chinese people.

    可能我不能清楚表達我的觀點, 或你是有意歪曲它. 你杜撰的對話似乎是辯明美國和中國在濫用權力方面是沒有分別的. 不過, 我在前篇留言的第三點完全沒有觸及這話題. 我所說的是中國公安, 在非政治性事件中, 有可能偏幫外國人. 我認為他們對外國犯規者採取嚴厲立塲有疑慮是有可能的, 因為這會影響與犯規者國家的友好關係.
    我不明白我對中國公安的看法和現在討論的事件的性質有什麼關係和對你的問題: 基於你對中國警方, 亦稱公安, 的不良觀感, 你認為意大利人視這是一件政治事件嗎?大感困惑. 我沒有任何資料可以說服自己, 意大利人會視這為一政治事件. 你有這資料嗎? 那涉案的警察可能是種族偏見者, 但不大可能有意挑起政治風波吧!
    你引述在中國製造的物品被不當處置之事於這討論亳無幫助, 那只會使之更混淆. 就算你供述不恰當的活動可以證實, 那也不代表外國與中國人的所有其他的爭拗都是心懷不軌的吧!


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