發文作者:kahoo | 二月 8, 2007

《軟硬今朝》今早嘉賓: The WINNER 陳國治

LIBERAL Michael Chan 陳國治 9080 votes (49.3%)

PC Alex Yuan 袁海耀 6420 votes (34.9%)

NDP Janice Hagan 1492 votes (8.1%)

GREEN Bernadette Manning 999 votes (5.4%)

so…. Michael Chan’s total votes ROUGHLY EQUAL TO
Alex Yuan’s + Janice Hagan’s + Bernadette Manning’s total votes

What an interesting race!

More updates and analysis will be available this morning on《軟硬今朝》!


Responses

  1. 噢﹐一天都光哂﹐終於選完。
    各位請節哀順變。
    阿家豪兄﹐我有冇眼花… 幅陳國治大合照入面﹐企最左邊果位先生﹐佢… 佢… 佢..係咪隊咗隻中指出嚟呢?
    係潛意識本能反應﹑係情不自禁﹑還是別有暗示呢? 有何玄機!?
    就如整個選舉一樣﹐(亦係老夫子漫畫經常出現嘅四個字) — 耐人尋味。

  2. Congratulations to McGuinty on acquiring a new Parrot!

  3. 笑兄: 你的眼光永遠都是咁銳利!

  4. 華人賤,選個無德無能,奸險陰柔的反骨仔,華人在加國,正一賤民,活該活該!以後華人比人當狗看,也是應該!

  5. 英文程度小學生都不如,怎能做省議員?笑話!給人作笑柄!如何向人反映華人需要!!

  6. Liberal has two groups of “loyalty" in Markham. [1] Pak/India community. Lots of the ppl in that community don’t even read or speak English. They always follow their community leader. Very united. And the leader is always Liberal. We are talking about at least few thousands.
    [2] There are lots of Chinese (or other minorities) always believe that Liberal is the only party who really support the multicultural system (has a long history). If you listen to some chinese phone-in radio show, those ppl will question “why there are people who anti-liberal? why they said something bad to Liberal". They will make up some **good** reasons to disagree other parties, such as, “NDP candidate didn’t say much in the chinese debate", “PC candidate took picture with Jim Jones". How about Liberal candidate never communicate well enough in English debate? How about Liberal candidate took lots of pictures with ppl who hurt our chinese community in head tax issue?

  7. 有咁樣既選民, 就有咁樣的議員. 無眼睇.

  8. 無話可說!民智未開,由民國初年,列強入侵,瓜割中華,中國近代百年史,真是頁頁哀歌!民智未開,華民在主流社會被排擠歧視不無因由,活該活該,選了如此"走秀",真是笑壞洋人,那些主管在辦公室開玩笑:"你!做!照我意思去做,閉咀,奴奴!哈哈哈!"我都如是想,可況人家主管呢?

  9. MC has hit the nail on the head!

    The Indian/Pakistans are a strong political force to reckon with. CBC TV had reported once that they could mobilize thousands of people in Party’s internal leader election or any elections. They are no doubt just sheep following their shepherd. That’s where we underestimated Chan. I don’t like this tactics especially in a peaceful society (unlike the skewed politically environment back in HK).

    I believe the majority of chinese voters who came out to vote would be in favor of PC rather than Liberal. However, who could beat this flock of blinded sheep?

    That confirms the second pont by MC. Joe Lee was born in India and speaks one or two of the languages there but failed to lure the South Asian votes. Well, if the leaders were liberal cheerleaders, Joe Lee did not stand a chance.

    Hey, this South Asians voting tactics resembles those suddenly “loyal" and “patriotic" chinese businessmen/left-wing muddy communists/etc listening to the “Grandpa" in Beijing and therefore voting for Sir Donald Tsang. What has modern democracy become nowaday?

    Now, Chan will have a lot of favors to return to the Indians/Pakistans. No wonder he would not give a damn to the headtax. Now, the truth is out! Thanks to MC’s insight.

  10. this chinese old dog is nothing to mention. just a shit!

  11. With all the negative news & 90% of the comments(on both radio stations and both debates run by both 2 radio stations)are all against liberals & Mr.chan.He still win by more than 2000 votes. People should give him credit which he is deserved.On the other hand, Mr.Yuan should retired from politic & learn how to behave properly on the debate before even consider to run again.(on this he should learn from his oppentents).Everything is on Mr. Yaun’s side on this election( including the radio stations)He still lost by big margin.He got no excuses.I just hope Mr. Yuan let other people run in coming November.I thing P C party make a big mistakes let Yuan run this time instead of asking Jo Lee. I believe the result should be different otherwise.

  12. For those people who are so against Mr.Chan & Liberal .I just hope you guys know that Mr.Chan is not only serve chinese people, he also serve other races living in markham.That is what he should do no matter what party he belong.

  13. Return Joe Li

  14. Chinese knows what a dog is. If so many people say it is a dog, then it is a really dog. ESL course is good for it before meeting its masters in the party.

  15. he also serve other races living in markham.That is what he should do no matter what party he belong.

    Comment by Suprise voter — February 9, 2007 #
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    I never seen him or heard of him in serving other races in this region. Can you point out those activities, date and organizations? If it is ture!

  16. Markham resident, I think Yuan was bad mainly on Chinese debates. Give him credit for all the effort trying to speak in Cantonese. I honestly believe his English skill will allow him communicate high level in Par. I thought this is the primary element as a effective MPP. Yuan always speaks carefully. Yes, Joe Li could have been a better choice. He got a better experience. Better debate skill. But, he made a *killing* mistake as he was new in politics. Liberal can always quote on that and scare new immigrants. In order to recover from that, Joe Li need to do something really big for new immigrants.

  17. cytodex, Yes. There are some commons as we see how people support Liberal as well as those support Communist China. This is part of our Chinese culture. Red effect! Especially it’s near chinese new year! Liberal has special relationship with a group of Chinese community for long while. They benefit each other in $$$$ and PR (Chinese media). It is a perfect partners in PR/politics’ point of view. However, is it positive to general Chinese community? See how they handled head tax?

  18. Yes. Chinese media has relationship with the Liberal.
    That is why you can hear Chan’s voice on air solely on one of the Chinese media last Saturday evening for an hour. That is unusual arrangement. And this is how this Chinese media have business getting from the Liberal party.

  19. 左邊第一個老外,中指一篤,人之常情,正所謂多個華奴做順民,任點任篤!有於內,形於外;笑騎騎,平常時啫,可足大驚!

  20. If Liberal party mobilized a bunch of blind-folded Indian/Pakistanese sheep to vote for Chan, one should not give Chan any credit for his victory.

    The total number of votes are around 18000. Markham with a population of 200,000 has around 30% (?) residents of Chinese origins. Say, among these 30% of people only 50% is qualified to vote; and say among this 15% of population, only 20% of this 15% did go out and vote. So, you will have around 3% of total Markham residents or 6000 votes.

    If more people had come out and voted (and especially for Yuan), the result would have been different.

    Of course, I merely speculate the percentages here but I do hope more Chinese to come out and vote even though the one you voted for might not win. Keep in mind if there could be couple thousands votes were behind Chan or any liberal party candidate. Any non-liberal supporters of Chinese origin should at least come out and vote to dilute the skewed effect of the South Asian votes…

    Joe Li, we are ready when you are!

  21. 十月省選
    1.保守黨先要取得內部省府文件,省選選民資料,分析人口分佈,每次投票選民百分比率等;資料難得,省府自由黨人勢必諸多阻擾,甚至詐作出錯,將錯誤資料交給保守黨
    .
    2.華人對華人政客大多討厭,明知樣衰人賤,應聲狗,無聊跟老外陪笑的參選人,所以大多不再投票;陳國治,如此英文水平,你們說,人家老外開會講話,他會明多少呢?還不是咧開口陪笑,老外也當他弱智,總知有應聲蟲,佔了席位,企埋一面就說他是好"人"一頭!
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    3.唯一解決辦法:鼓勵華人選洋人,總之除了華人之外,所有洋人都可以選,任以劃,那時各黨見華人打游擊,就不會容易作出部署計劃!華人各勢力少了爭奪,人人反而會開始明白何謂自由民主選舉,對各種族參選人有進一步認識,有益教育華民,對華人十年八載後有正面作用;短期四至八年,華民絕無能力及正面參選的水平,有的,選出來的,都是爛橙一只!

  22. Congrats to Lib. (may your little red book guide us to a better future)

    Well, atleast I’ll know that we won’t be considered ‘a part of United States’… or ‘A part of a country where the average iq is maxed at 110’ …

  23. MC,

    Wasn’t it a PC candiate that said ‘I don’t follow the guidelines of my party…’

    What kind of a party would allow there members to disagree with them?

    I recall that if you, as a member of parliment, disagrees with the decision of your party’s leader, you must retire from your party.

    Therefore from just that, all non-new-immigrant would have caught that phase and not vote for that specific candiate or party.

    Not to forget, there are two famous names that would scare thousands of citizens, Brain Mulroney and Mike Harris. both are from the Progressive Conservative, just this alone is enough to cause a drop in their support.

    If you have no idea who the right honorable Brain Mulroney is, simply visit the following like at wikipedia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election%2C_1993

  24. 瘋人is a good sample of blind supporter of Liberal. Similar to those who said China gov didn’t kill anyone in Tinanmen Square! How can a provincial gov decide the status of our country? And who said that you cannot disagree with ur party? Please read newspaper everyday. Don’t shut yourself up at the toilet and supporter your owner. Chong was a latest good example. And Yes, he is Chinese! Yes Brian Mulroney .. don’t vote for PC? And Bob Rae .. not to vote NDP? No no .. He is Liberal now!! You shouldn’t vote Liberal. We are still tasting the trouble setup by Bob Rae in Ontario. WE BETTER DON’T VOTE LIBERAL NEXT TIME! Don’t eat your own words!

  25. cytodex, i think you have mis-counted the blind sheeps in Chinese community. Like 瘋人. Give yourself a try to convince him/her. Good Luck.
    You better make another 50% of your counting .. what? it ends up … only 3000?

  26. questions? — February 9, 2007 #
    I’m interested to see how can Chan help the other races. Other than Cantonese, can he speaks something else? Need lots of translators for sure. I watched one TV interview show. He used both his hand movement and his language skill so hard to try to communicate with his non-Chinese assistant. Then .. finally, he ended up moving the chair by himself. Was he just asking someone to move the chair? I don’t know.

  27. MC,

    Yes, lots of Chinese did not vote. That’s also partly the reason why Chan won and Yuan lost.

    Why would one cast the vote for someone that would not win? I vote even though I know the candidate would not win. My strategy is usually to vote for the opponent of the incumbent candidate unless the candidate did a fairly good job.

    By nature, many “小農社會" Chinese are very calculating but yet short-sighted/self-absorbed. They always want compensation/return for their action. No wonder we are not being respected by the politicians/other ethnic groups and majority. Many of us are never integrated into the society.

  28. MC “big brother",please stop explaining to me what had happened to this Chan on the tv show. It kills me while reading the text you have written here.
    .
    You tell me, what can I say?
    Just like the man wrote here in the forum:
    如此英文水平,你們說,人家老外開會講話,他會明多少呢?還不是咧開口陪笑,老外也當他弱智,總知有應聲蟲,佔了席位,企埋一面就說他是好”人”一頭!
    Comment by 孔明翻板 — February 9, 2007 #

  29. 瘋人:

    Brian Mulroney was the PM when I arrived here. He also the one introduced the GST. Later, Jean Chrietien when campaigning vowed to drop it but kept it and even attempted to raise it to 8%. It’s also in the little red book too!

    My point is that all politicians by nature are prone to corruption. We should keep the check and balance and vote the bad ones out of office. But, we must get off the couch and voice our concerns by votes.

    If NDP has a good platform, I will vote for them too!

    Don’t be so navie and simple-minded. Your “iron vote" to the Liberal party does not necessarily reflect your loyalty and analytical ability.

  30. 瘋人:

    B. Mulroney was the PM when I arrived here. He was the one who introduced the infamous GST. Jeam Chrietien when campaigning vowed to drop it but kept and even attempted to raise it to 8%.

    My point is the most politicians are prone to corruption. You should use your vote to cast the bad ones out of office.

    Don’t be so navie and simple-minded. Your “iron vote" to the liberal party does not necessarily reflect your loyalty and analytical ability.

  31. 其實各高人所見解,各有各道理。 但小弟有幾點想補充:
    .
    1. 如加燦兄之前所言, 推測陳國治因無能而被自由黨推出來當"炮灰", 小弟亦有同感。 看來今次陳之勝出可能老麥亦大出所料。
    2. 梅龍尼 (Brian Mulroney) 在任時將 PC 弄至接近滅黨, 頓成過街老鼠; 但夏里斯 (Mike Harris) 之常理革命, 乃抄自 Bill Clinton, 雖然醫務界, 中小學教師, 及取福利金者恨之入骨, 但他亦不乏有支持者, 小弟亦是其一。 PC 一向理財沒有自由黨進取, 但看哈珀作風(如務要削赤字及國債等), 亦望一改以往過錯。 省 PC 亦與聯邦 PC 同氣連枝, 所以亦不失為+月時一皆選。
    3. 才智及語言(中及英)能力不堪一提, 其實在省自由黨中亦不止陳國治一人。 有否聽過交通署部長 Harinder Takhar 發言? 若要明白他所言, 如電視有 closed caption 功能, 奉勸各位要立刻顯視英文字幕, 否則其印度英話真確實莫明所言, 真聽出耳屎! 有其黨必有其黨羽, 否則又怎可突出老麥嘅「痴脷根」英語之清晰呢?
    4. 孔明翻板之"鼓勵華人選洋", 不敢苟同。 Cytodex 之 insight, 小弟佩服。
    5. 若 PC 想為十月省選部處來羸取安省這塊肥肉, 看來在小數民族軟性思想滲透之功夫還要多努力才可再從此腐敗自由黨手中奪回政權。
    .

  32. 陳國治話要將華人聲音帶入省會,求丙,講英文講成咁,點帶呀!人地老外開會,佢跟到人地講咩嘢咩?實際係做唔到嘢,你條土庫佬死開啦,針炙篤下條祖宗根啦!同人作詩,一睇係人都知真人道友勝你多多聲啦,聽收音機啦!求丙得抦

  33. 獨孤求丙兄, I agree with your points.

    In my view, the real campaign will be held in October. The low turnout this time was predictable for any by-election. What’s so sad is that many Chinese did not come out to vote, given the radio/TV coverage, controversies, and conspiracy of the 2 chinese candidates. To some degree, Chan’s victory is a mockery of the inaction of many potential chinese voters. Perhaps, everybody is eyeing for the October election but it is likely that many chinese voters are quite “politically impotent". Markham is a typical middle-class riding. Many people (including chinese origin) are well educated and we could have done better. A low chinese turnout rate (if in October) would tell all parties that the chinese votes are not worth any efforts. The party leader can pick any mediocre candidates (as long as he/she can be manipulated) and still win by a landslide. Would your interest be looked after any more? We could do better than some “Iron votes" by chinese or other ethnic groups. If you want to be respected, first respect the rules of the game. it’s your right and responsibility. If you don’t like something, go and vote for the candidate that can change it. Keep in mind that there are places in the world that can not vote freely, i.e. China, HK, Singapore (dominated by one party), and even Taiwan, the votes can be bought. Canada is a free and well-developed country and we are free to vote without any pressure or worries. Then, Why not vote?

    On the other hand, I think both the candidates and the voters could do a better job.

    To any candidate, don’t be a yes-man or yes-woman to your party leader all the times. Stick to your principles and philosophies. Michael Chong (MP) is a good example. Give the voters the confidence that not only you really care and work hard but also have a straight backbone. Smart voters will realize if you are a backbencher or a real doer.

    To the voters, like Joe Li has said, come out and vote. I don’t care your vote goes to PC, Liberal, NDP, Green Party, or other not well-known parties. Don’t act ignorant like your are someone living in Chinatown for ages.

  34. 哈哈哈!篤吓你條祖宗根!針炙新法,求丙,開針自療!

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  40. 明蝕?
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  41. 農曆新年馬上就要來到,在此也要向1540&大家拜個早年,祝大家豬年吉祥、諸事順心,新年新希望、新春新氣象。

  42. Sorry wor, but I like Bob Rae wor..

    Especially his idea of allowing stores to open on Sunday.

    …Also, please maintain your postings to idealogy discussions and not personal attacks. That’s very immature, just like our good old Progressive Communististic party. I still remember those advertisements they pull on our former Prime Minister, focusing on his chin.

  43. MC,

    Did you know the problems Bob Rae really faced when he was heading Ontario? It was the wrost recession since the the great depression! If it wasn’t for his attempts we would still be in a city where work days are 5 days a week. All Holidays are ‘Holidays’ and there wouldn’t be a society in Ontario that is prospering as it is right now.

    Now some people would blame the strikes we have during Mr. Harris’ days on Bob Rae. But directly from the teacher’s Union, they admitted that they agreed with Mr. Rae on the hold back for 4 years. It was Mike Harris’ attempt to push that for a 12 year wage freeze that caused the Strikes.

    I am not sure if anyone else remember the days when Sunday is the day of rest. The only place that would be open in Toronto would be Eaton Center and a few selected malls because they are tourist attractions.

    Please don’t discredit those who had tried their best to do something, it is not only their outcomes that we honor, but the path in which those who tried have tread that we must credit them.

    Picking politicians should not be for oneself’s urge but for the entire community. If those who live in Markham would be voting blindly for one party, or simply because of the words ‘I don’t like them’ then Ms. Carole Bell would still be the mayor of Markham🙂

    Voting is not just a game of ‘What I can gain from this’ but a game of ‘I know what I can or can not get from this person being voted on at this instances, but will this person be able to lead my society and myself on a path that would gain respect from others’

    May I also add, closing the 401 and QEW for the president of the United states so Bush Sr. can watch a base ball game at Skydome is not acceptable. We are a country, not one part of the united states.

    BE PROUD CANADA!

  44. Ground is always so hard for somebody.
    陳卓愉並點名批評他的「舊老闆」總理馬田,指摘他在06年國會大選期間,公開向華裔加人道歉,一反陳卓愉「根據內部法律意見,堅持不道歉及不作個人賠償」的強硬立場,公然「抽我後腿,令我難堪。」Chan still think that this is TRUE! 根據內部法律意見,堅持不道歉及不作個人賠償???? Anythings happened yet? NOTHING!! …LIAR LIAR LIAR.Please tell us honestly that there was no such 內部法律意見!!!!陳卓愉繼續反對聯邦政府就人頭稅的不合理待遇所作出的歷史性的道歉。
    肯尼在聲明中說:「陳卓愉顯然是聯邦國會內唯一仍然反對人頭稅道歉的議員。他更進一步攻擊他的前任首領馬田在上屆國會大選末期所作出不具誠意的認錯行動。」
    肯尼表示:陳卓愉當國務部長期間不但反對道歉和有意義的平反行動﹔反而提出一項深深分裂加國華人社群的…方案。I really hope that Micheal Chan is not just another Chan in Liberal!

  45. Well, MC, the Liberals are all the same. What do yo expect???


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